Dragonball Season sets

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:03 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:Because unless I'm severely mistaken, GT's dub wasn't bad in terms of script and acting
You are mistaken.

Okay, but am I severely mistaken?

I mean, I'm pretty sure with the Japanese music, the GT dub would at least be watchable. 'Least for me. I survived watching through the broadcast version, so I might even LIKE one with the original track.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:16 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:Because unless I'm severely mistaken, GT's dub wasn't bad in terms of script and acting
You are mistaken.
Okay, but am I severely mistaken?

I mean, I'm pretty sure with the Japanese music, the GT dub would at least be watchable. 'Least for me. I survived watching through the broadcast version, so I might even LIKE one with the original track.

Other than Pan's voice I think you were pretty close.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:11 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:I mean, I'm pretty sure with the Japanese music, the GT dub would at least be watchable. 'Least for me. I survived watching through the broadcast version, so I might even LIKE one with the original track.

Well, if you liked the 'Chris Sabat Show Z' you'll like the 'GT' sequel just as much. I still stand by my previous statements are factually correct.

xzero · Post by **xzero** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:25 pm

I see your argument about the overabundance of Chris Sabat, desirecampbell, but I have to disagree with your analysis of GT. I, for one, felt that GT was reasonably well-done overall. The dub was fairly accurate, the voices were about as good as they were going to get (so you love them or hate them at this point), and while GT may not be the best of the three, its treatment by Funi was pretty good. Except for that damnable music...

They took my money for 21 DVDs with some of the worst music of all time; now they'll get my money for 2 or 3 sets with reasonably good music.

On topic, I was watching my DB sets recently (I also own the Madman release of Season 1), and I was thinking about how well-done the show was comparatively speaking. There were some errors, yes, but overall DB was handled fairly well. The only way I'd rebuy these is if I could get "Dragonball Densetsu" and the other insert songs during the actual BGM without the narrarator speaking over them; even a DBZ-style redub wouldn't really be worth it otherwise.

max3000 · Post by **max3000** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:59 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:I mean, I'm pretty sure with the Japanese music, the GT dub would at least be watchable. 'Least for me. I survived watching through the broadcast version, so I might even LIKE one with the original track.
Well, if you liked the 'Chris Sabat Show Z' you'll like the 'GT' sequel just as much. I still stand by my previous statements are factually correct.

GT's dub was good, and why are you hating on Chris Sabat? He has more talent than you will ever have.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:42 pm

max3000 wrote:why are you hating on Chris Sabat? He has more talent than you will ever have.

I enjoyed Desire's selection of fonts for the DBAF translation more than I enjoy Sabat's acting.

Chris Sabat is not a talented voice actor, Billy West is a talented VA, Maurice Lamarshe is a talented VA, Chris Sabat is someone who was in the right place at the right time, and thrived in an industry where the standards actors are held to is considerably less than it is throughout the rest of the industry.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:00 pm

I like Chris Sabat as a VA. I think he's good.

Also, not to start an argument but merely to point out something, Sabat may voice a lot of Dragonball characters, but so does Nozawa.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:00 pm

That's messed up. I don't mind Chris Sabat. He can vary his voice up when he wants to. Yamcha is different than his Vegeta. I used to really like the first Piccolo voice he did, but later it just got...crappy. Chris Sabat seems to be a funny guy, who likes to have fun. I mean can't hate on him just because FUNimation made him half the cast. How much voice variation can you have when they make you play 15 different people?

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:09 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:I like Chris Sabat as a VA. I think he's good.

Also, not to start an argument but merely to point out something, Sabat may voice a lot of Dragonball characters, but so does Nozawa.

That's kinda different though. Nozawa only voices members of Goku's family and Tullece, because Tullece was basically an evil Goku.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:13 pm

I don't know HOW this devolved into a "Sabat Sucks" topic, but if it was my fault, I apologize. Plus, like him or not, the guy must be doing SOMETHING right...

Anyway, glad to know from xzero that I'm not the only one who saw quality in the GT dub (aside from the music of course). Guess I'm not crazy after all.

C'mon, FUNi... gimme remastered GT! I want it! If I pay you now, will you release it faster?

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:23 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:How much voice variation can you have when they make you play 15 different people?

See people like Billy West.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:26 pm

Taku128 wrote:
Kid Trunks wrote:I like Chris Sabat as a VA. I think he's good.

Also, not to start an argument but merely to point out something, Sabat may voice a lot of Dragonball characters, but so does Nozawa.
That's kinda different though. Nozawa only voices members of Goku's family and Tullece, because Tullece was basically an evil Goku.

I get what your saying. But theres no real reason why all his kids and every character that looks like Goku should all have the same voice, family or not. (Please, nobody take this as an attack on Nozawa!)

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:42 pm

Genetics are funny sometimes. XD.

Sabat doing multiple people... mm... not so bad. Sabat making Zarban into Yamcha with an accent?

(And I shouldn't do this, but I'll respond to Max's comment about "read the manga if you want to get past dub errors" here: I can't. Nor can I read subtitles. The Daizex podcast is therefore awesome for me.).

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:34 am

max3000 wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:I mean, I'm pretty sure with the Japanese music, the GT dub would at least be watchable. 'Least for me. I survived watching through the broadcast version, so I might even LIKE one with the original track.
Well, if you liked the 'Chris Sabat Show Z' you'll like the 'GT' sequel just as much. I still stand by my previous statements are factually correct.
GT's dub was good, and why are you hating on Chris Sabat? He has more talent than you will ever have.

Welcome to the Jungle max.

Anyway, I don't really like that Sabat had to do half of the show's characters. But he does a decet job. It's Funi DBZ, what can you expect?

I hope they don't release ANY Dragonball sets. I'll import the Madman stuff before I'll buy Dragonball with cropped picture.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:06 am

Taku128 wrote:That's kinda different though. Nozawa only voices members of Goku's family and Tullece, because Tullece was basically an evil Goku.

I think it's funny that the same people who praise JPN Goku's girlish voice as "showing his childlike innocence" while blasting US Freeza's voice for "not matching his character" don't bat an eye when JPN Bardock, a genocidal beast who's never had one day of innocence...has a girl's voice.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:07 am

Captain Awesome wrote:
TheGreatness25 wrote:How much voice variation can you have when they make you play 15 different people?
See people like Billy West.

So he is bad because he is not good as one of the best voice actors around? The fact he always delivers solid to good performences means nothing.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:20 am

Rocketman wrote:
Taku128 wrote:That's kinda different though. Nozawa only voices members of Goku's family and Tullece, because Tullece was basically an evil Goku.
I think it's funny that the same people who praise JPN Goku's girlish voice as "showing his childlike innocence" while blasting US Freeza's voice for "not matching his character" don't bat an eye when JPN Bardock, a genocidal beast who's never had one day of innocence...has a girl's voice.

So? Bardock doesn't sound very simillar to Goku, nor does it "show his childlike innocence".
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BZ3W6xQxr2Y

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:21 am

I haven't watches the bardok movie in a long time so I don't remember how he sounded, although I get the impression now that he had the normal Son voice. And that, doesn't quite make sense. I should watch it again...

As for Sabat, I'll note a violent hatred for him and leave it at that.

And the main topic here? I'm still making up my mind wether I'll evern watch GT or not. I definately want to get my hands on the Japanese version of Pic'd death, but beyond that note of respect to the big guy I don't know wether I want to see it. If it's cheap, I'll think about it.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:27 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:How much voice variation can you have when they make you play 15 different people?

Hopefully, at least 15.

Captain Awesome wrote:See people like Billy West.

Exactly. West is a great voice actor because he can act with his voice. And he can take on multiple roles with differing voices. Take the first Futurama movie, he plays <spoiler> both Frys, to show the difference between the older, matured Fry and the young, impulsive, one, he takes a slight edge on his voice, speaks nearly-insignificantly slower, and a half-dozen other mannerisms. And he can go full force with crazy voices that have no connection to each other, Zoidberg, the Professor, his Wimpy voice (one of the half Slurm slug guys).

Sabat, on the other hand, either does not, or can not.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:42 am

In DBZ, they're not in charge of how fast or slow they speak. Want to know why? Because they're told to follow the mouth flaps. So it's hard to take on different manerisms and take your time with it. Now when something is being dubbed for the first time, the animation is drawn TO how they perform. In anime, since it's a translation, they have to follow the mouth movements that are already set.

Chris Sabat has a good voice, but he has too many roles. Voices that sound different enough are:
Burter
Vegeta
Yamcha
Piccolo's first voice (on Namek)

Dislike his interpretation of the characters all you want, but don't start trashing him. Any of you would do practically anything to be in his position, whether you were as good as Billy West, or just some kid pulled off the streets.