Custom Covers Project

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:31 am

desirecampbell wrote:I think it looks exactly like how Funimation would create a cover, and there's obviously some great technical work in it.

I still think it looks like ass.

-Why is the Funimation logo on there? Repeatedly? These are custom covers, why the hell do you want Funi's logo there?

-Also, why doe sit have the funi website and 'power up for battle at' bullshit on there too?

-And all the Funi mis-information marketing "remastered in High Definition", "Widescreen transfer.." on it?

-What's with the description on the back? Firstly, it sounds awful. Secondly, why would you have it on there at all?

I guess my problems break down to this: why are you making it look like just another Funimation storefront cover, instead of making it look good?

Because it seems like he wants to create a cover that would substitute for the oh-so-popular "orange brick", and quite frankly, US DBZ is, whether you like it or not, a FUNimation product.

And you said, "instead of making it look good?" What? It looks absolutely fantastic. And I only wish I was half as good as him on Photoshop.

Absolutely great cover. Great job Steven Perry

Post by **desirecampbell** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:59 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Because it seems like he wants to create a cover that would substitute for the oh-so-popular "orange brick", and quite frankly, US DBZ is, whether you like it or not, a FUNimation product.
And you said, "instead of making it look good?" What? It looks absolutely fantastic. And I only wish I was half as good as him on Photoshop.
Absolutely great cover. Great job Steven Perry

The FUNi marketing shit is something that quantifiably makes it worse. It's distracting and serves to design purpose. I would like the cover at least twice as much if all that crap was removed.

The design itself - I think the idea is fine: a few characters on the front monochrome, sounds great. But the 'grunge' texturing is just, not appropriate for the series. I can understand why you wouldn't want the covers adorned with happy faces and popcorn showers, but at least go for something classy, like a solid colour.

Also, the big, katakana'd DBZ logo has faults I could point out, the big '1' on the spine is off-putting, and the back is over-weighted like mad to one side.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:28 am

The man goes and makes a great cover and all you can do is find the things you don't like in it? When you make a custom cover, you can put Toei's logo on it, you can put Akira Toriyama's face on it, hell, you could even put a picture of Naruto holding his cock, but this is a great cover and just because you don't like the FUNimation logo, doesn't mean you should be an ass to him. I'm sure he put a lot of time into it and deserves some respect. Rather than, "God, the FUNimation logo's on it. That by itself makes it infinitely disgusting!"

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:37 am

I don't understand this perspective. desirecampbell is not being an ass. I've seen him be an ass; I've banned him for being an ass.

These are all legitimate opinions that have been requested, and the most ironic part of it all is that it's not even the ones requesting it that are being so emotionally scarred by it.

I actually recently wrote up a very lengthy series of thoughts regarding a similar situation, concerning how particular comments on a piece of work can possibly involve people that have only viewed said work... they didn't create it, and more often than not, have no particular reason to have any sort of emotional or sentimental attachment to it.

So why is it so hurtful to them?

Why is this so hurtful to you?

Is it because you simply disagree and cannot accurately and calmly express the reasons for this disagreement? Why are quotes being taken out of context and embellished far beyond recognition? Is it because you are unable to form a coherent argument? Is there some sort of hidden camaraderie behind the scenes out of plain view where one feels a friendship is being threatened? Is there jealously for not being able to critically look at a piece of work in the same way, perhaps not even noticing these perceived-flaws in the first place?

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:08 am

No. It's because I think it's a great piece of work and when someone denounces it because of a logo, I think it's not fair to the person who created it.

I still think it looks like ass

I think that's being an ass. Mainly because of certain words I guess. When someone says, "It looks like shit" or "It looks like ass", that can tend to be hurtful to someone. I'm not emotionally attached to it. Just think it's disrespectful.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:23 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:No. It's because I think it's a great piece of work and when someone denounces it because of a logo, I think it's not fair to the person who created it.

desirecampbell wrote:The design itself - I think the idea is fine: a few characters on the front monochrome, sounds great. But the 'grunge' texturing is just, not appropriate for the series. I can understand why you wouldn't want the covers adorned with happy faces and popcorn showers, but at least go for something classy, like a solid colour.
Also, the big, katakana'd DBZ logo has faults I could point out, the big '1' on the spine is off-putting, and the back is over-weighted like mad to one side.

Everything in red is a complaint other than the logo. The first black part is actually a compliment, and the second bit is the complaint about the logo, a very vague one because it's just the logo, it's not that important.

TheGreatness25 wrote:
I still think it looks like ass
I think that's being an ass. Mainly because of certain words I guess. When someone says, "It looks like shit" or "It looks like ass", that can tend to be hurtful to someone. I'm not emotionally attached to it. Just think it's disrespectful.

True disrespect would be to ignore the work's faults and do nothing but laud it and its creator. That's just retarded. True disrespect would be telling an artist that his work is perfect, when it's not.

Unless the artist is an unbelievable prick, he would actually want to get better, and can only do that my finding his faults.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:33 am

The only thing about the cover that is a bit strange is Krillin being the main guy. And I mean no disrespect, but I'm still waiting for your cover art that is more than just putting up a picture of the manga.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:38 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:No. It's because I think it's a great piece of work and when someone denounces it because of a logo, I think it's not fair to the person who created it.

Individuals can fight their own fights. No need to artificially create mob-mentality.

TheGreatness25 wrote:
I still think it looks like ass
I think that's being an ass. Mainly because of certain words I guess. When someone says, "It looks like shit" or "It looks like ass", that can tend to be hurtful to someone. I'm not emotionally attached to it. Just think it's disrespectful.

While it was certainly the individual's own legitimate opinion they are entitled to hold and express, I will happily concede that it was lacking any tact what-so-ever.

TheGreatness25 wrote:but I'm still waiting for your cover art that is more than just putting up a picture of the manga.

This is a faulty argument in every sense. What about you? What are you going to show off? If you're going to counter-argue counter-arguments, shouldn't you be expected to, for lack of a better phrase, just as equally "put-up-or-shutup"...? You have not contributed a single artistic work, yourself, but clearly feel you are entitled to share your artistic criticisms/compliments. Are you solely entitled to this "get out of jail free" card?

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:59 am

Err...

What the hell happened here?

I mean, all this argument from just trying to have some fun with art...?

I guess this all just boils down to the fact that everybody has their own individual beliefs, associations, values, and rules (and when they come to disagreement with another, they feel the need to prove their ego superior- 'right'- at all costs). What something means to one person may mean something completely different to another; for example, if someone were to pick their nose right in front of you, you may feel offended- but the other guy just doesn't give a damn. He might even laugh.

Some people here seem to think that it's disrespectful to speak a certain way, or feel offended when people give criticisms on things they hold as good (or maybe they feel it's hurting the creator)- but the truth is that I don't care if someone dislikes the cover. Oh, and Desire's initial post was damn funny to me... but others were offended. The comments Desire has given me have been very helpful, so if people are getting worried that it might hurt me, err... don't worry?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:04 am

Ah, God bless you, Stevey. Hopefully now people will drop the argument. This is a nice thread with a lot of talent within it, so I'd rather not see it get closed.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:23 am

The blue cover earlier looks really good in my humble opinion.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:48 pm

Steven Perry wrote: Oh, and Desire's initial post was damn funny to me... but others were offended. The comments Desire has given me have been very helpful, so if people are getting worried that it might hurt me, err... don't worry?

Which was the whole point of my posting criticism. You put something on public display and asked for comments - mine were not entirely positive. I don't understand why other people seem to be offended.

And, in case anyone hasn't caught this yet, I do understand that Steven has great talent - I said as much earlier, but it should be clear that

And TheGreatness25, I put up the kanzenban style covers because I think they're awesome. They have a clean, understated look (which is the complete opposite of Steven's design) which I enjoy more. If your argument is "I'd like to see you do better" then I think I already have. And while this is a well-known shitfist of an argument, I'll play along and ask you for your contribution.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:51 pm

Hey you're the one that said it looks bad. I never said I could do better. Yet you didn't really do anything that required any work. You just copied right off an existing picture.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:52 pm

For the love of God, let's just shut the fuck up and keep this from getting locked.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:55 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Hey you're the one that said it looks bad. I never said I could do better. Yet you didn't really do anything that required any work. You just copied right off an existing picture.

I'm sorry I didn't thow the FUNi logo all over the place and call it 'the greatest ever anime ever, cause it's true' and all the other crap. I explained why I didn't - twice.

There's only one thing I would change about the kanzenban design - the numbers. If they don't match up properly (depending on how you're splitting the episodes/discs) they would just be out of place. Which is why I did a version without them as well.

And now you're complaining about my contribution. So, go ahead and live up to your expectations of me for commenting on Steven's design.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:03 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
TheGreatness25 wrote:Hey you're the one that said it looks bad. I never said I could do better. Yet you didn't really do anything that required any work. You just copied right off an existing picture.
I'm sorry I didn't thow the FUNi logo all over the place and call it 'the greatest ever anime ever, cause it's true' and all the other crap. I explained why I didn't - twice.

There's only one thing I would change about the kanzenban design - the numbers. If they don't match up properly (depending on how you're splitting the episodes/discs) they would just be out of place. Which is why I did a version without them as well.

And now you're complaining about my contribution. So, go ahead and live up to your expectations of me for commenting on Steven's design.

Oh Godammit. He was talking about how all you did was just take a manga picture, while Steven Perry actually did some editing. Steven's made it clear that he's just adding his own touch to the already existing Season set covers, so of course it's gonna have all of the "crap" such as the Funi logo and whatnot, and yet you're complaining about it.

Fuck this, I'm done.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:54 pm

Hey here's my "custom cover"

Do we get the point? At least someone understood.

Anyway, I'm finished arguing. You can howl at the wind now.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:58 pm

Why is it people only say they're "finished arguing" after they yak it up for a whole post?

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:04 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:The only thing about the cover that is a bit strange is Krillin being the main guy.

I actually love that, because it's not entirely sayiajin and bad guys. Krillian still gets to do stuff at this point in time, so he warrants a shot on the cover.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:07 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Hey here's my "custom cover"

Do we get the point? At least someone understood.

Anyway, I'm finished arguing. You can howl at the wind now.

Your "custom" cover is weak.

Anyway, did anybody else give making their own cover a shot?