Toriyama movie designs

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Toriyama movie designs

Post by MCDaveG » Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:49 am

I am starting this topic because of two things (Garlic, A13) but it lead me to broader the questions.
Are there any notes or character backstories for movie characters, that weren't explored in the movie?
Is Toriyama giving eny further exposition to other characters, on why they are designed in such way? (For example he did gave Bardock the reasoning of looking exactly like Goku without scars.) And also, I know that some promo pamphlet for the original screening of the movies did and do exist, with some backstories written in them (Hera race from Movie 9).

Who did design Garlic Jr.?

Is Android 13 looking like a young Dr. Gero a coincidence based on simple design similarities (same yes, silver hair, earrings, facial structure) or was it intentional?
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Re: Toriyama movie designs

Post by VegettoEX » Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:00 am

The weird thing about some of the back stories is that not only are they not in the film itself that they're tied to, but often they're not even in the film's respective theatrical pamphlet. For example,
  • All of the henchmen in DBZ movie 3 have extensive back stories (like Amond being a criminal captured by the galactic police force)... but they're not in the film, but instead in the theatrical pamphlet as well as the Akira Toriyama - The World SPECIAL guidebook that accompanied that specific film festival
  • The DBZ movie 5 henchmen information (like Thouser being from the same star system as Jheece and knowing a gazillion languages) was published in a Weekly Shonen Jump 1991 #25 column
  • The "Hera Clan" stuff from DBZ movie 9 begins with an off-hand comment during the story mode of Super Butoden 2, a couple mentions in things like the game's strategy guide and V-Jump coverage, and then uncited remarks in later guidebooks
We've really had to scrounge up this stuff over the years (decades!), and a lot of that was trying to independently corroborate non-specific citations on Japanese Wikipedia (by... uhh... just buying every magazine we can). I'm also occasionally still finding something new (or, rather, perhaps just new to me?).

For the movie characters that aren't specifically cited to have been initially designed by Toriyama, we can likely attribute their design to the film's overall character designer and/or animation supervisor (so perhaps Minoru Maeda in this case with Garlic Jr.; worth noting that while Garlic himself isn't called out by name, this "Golden Warrior" interview does note Maeda designed characters for filler and movies).

Pretty much everything that we know of Toriyama doing for the TV series and films (pre-Super) is covered (and translated, where appropriate) over in our "Toriyama's Contributions to the Anime" sub-guide within the "Animation Production Guide" here on Kanzenshuu.
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Re: Toriyama movie designs

Post by MCDaveG » Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:11 am

Cool! I hope these infos will end up on the wiki in the future.

I am familiar with the Kanzenshuu guides and that was the reason for call-out, as most of the time, Toriyama's descriptions are mostly cryptic.
Also remember vaguely, that some user (maybe Julian?) posted some info about more fleshed out bios in movie pamphlets.

Hera being actually named in materials for Super Butouden 2 is really cool and new to me. I played the game to the death as a kid on emulator and loved the story and different setting for the movie. But it was the French rom, so I had no idea what the text is about except for Bojack being named Kujila and Zangya being Aki, for whatever reason. I was surprised later, as I saw the movie quite a long time after playing this game. I am puzzled the same way for Selypa getting renamed as Fasha in english.
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Re: Toriyama movie designs

Post by VegettoEX » Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:12 am

MCDaveG wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:11 am Cool! I hope these infos will end up on the wiki in the future.
All of the aforementioned stuff is already there! 8)
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Re: Toriyama movie designs

Post by MCDaveG » Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:37 am

My bad for completely ignoring the wiki then, thinking it is still work in progress... :lol:
Well, thanks for hours of entertainment in advance!

When I think that you can not milk more information from the series after so many years, I am always surprised here with something completely new!
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Post by VegettoEX » Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:52 am

Oh, the whole wiki is indeed (still) NOT live yet... but we at least have a bunch of preview pages!

The page for Amond is a good example for this, where I've shared the exact page from the theatrical booklet/pamphlet and translations of stuff.
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Re: Toriyama movie designs

Post by BWri » Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:32 am

VegettoEX wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:52 am Oh, the whole wiki is indeed (still) NOT live yet... but we at least have a bunch of preview pages!

The page for Amond is a good example for this, where I've shared the exact page from the theatrical booklet/pamphlet and translations of stuff.
Looks great! I'll pretty much be living there when it all goes live.
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