KBABZ and Robo present: Daima Trivia (COMPLETE)

[KBABZ]

Ultimately, I would say that the actual events of Daima and Super don't seem to be compatible, even if they continue the trend of taking the same world and telling new stories in it.

This is going to be a VERY wild guess, but it could be that any elements from Super that are appearing again in Daima, like the Kaioshin lineup, all have Toriyama's involvement in some way, while those that are being contradicted (like the Super Dragon Balls and Kibitoshin's defusion method) either did not or were things Toriyama disagreed on. No way to prove that of course; the extent of Toriyama's involvement with anime projects may never be truly known. Which is a same; it's be fascinating to see just how much he contributed to OG-DB, Z, Super and Daima.

[Robo4900]

Ultimately, I would say that the actual events of Daima and Super don't seem to be compatible, even if they continue the trend of taking the same world and telling new stories in it.

This is going to be a VERY wild guess, but it could be that any elements from Super that are appearing again in Daima, like the Kaioshin lineup, all have Toriyama's involvement in some way, while those that are being contradicted (like the Super Dragon Balls and Kibitoshin's defusion method) either did not or were things Toriyama disagreed on. No way to prove that of course; the extent of Toriyama's involvement with anime projects may never be truly known. Which is a same; it's be fascinating to see just how much he contributed to OG-DB, Z, Super and Daima.

These details were in the manga as well, though! And Toriyama personally signed off on every page of that, even redrew a few panels himself.

[LoganForkHands73]

Personally, the way I see it is that the lore and worldbuilding from Super is largely being assumed as true, but that the stories themselves don't matter. So like, Gowasu exists, but as far as Zamas is concerned, it's a big ol' shrug. He probably just doesn't exist in this timeline, but if he does, he's just... not relevant.

Similarly, maybe if Goku or Vegeta ever grew a tail they could maybe achieve Super Saiyan 4... But we're never going to find out in this timeline. It doesn't matter to this story, it's not relevant. It may be true, it may not be. Doesn't matter, it's not going to come up.

To put it another way: Daima, Super, GT, and DB Online are different divergent traditions of folklore. The original manga is what they agree on, and there will be some other elements that align, but for the most part the four traditions don't really fit together. (Although KBABZ and I have wondered in the past whether DB Online actually fits with Daima. Probably not, given its version of the "Majin race", but maybe it fits with Super. Hard to say.)

Maybe I'm not making much sense. I guess I'm trying to say... The Aeneid isn't part of the original ancient Greek mythology, it was added by Virgil during Augustus's reign, loosely based on various myths about this (rather obscure) character who popped up in the Iliad and bummed around for a while after the fall of Troy... It's easy to see it as "part 3" of a trilogy starting with the Iliad and the Odyssey (or, arguably, "part 4" with Quintus of Smyrna's PostHomerica inserted as "part 2", bridging Homer's two epics), but it's not from the original tradition. It's a later addition... almost a thousand years later... which uses the same world and characters...
Or, like... Tantalus, right? He was punished by Zeus – but was he punished for chopping up and serving his son to the gods? Or was he punished for stealing Zeus's dog? OR did he simply hold onto Zeus's dog for Pandareus after he stole the dog? These three different tales come from the original Greek myths, and there are commonalities (his punishment, him doing a bad deed, some versions agree on the theft of the golden dog Rhea), but the three stories are incompatible with each other.
Or, how did Achilles die? Was he shot in the heel by Apollo? Or by Paris? Or by Paris, guided by Apollo? Is his heel his only weak spot, or was that just where the arrow that killed him hit him?
Jumping a mythological track, was Mimir a magic head who Odin went to visit and sacrificed an eye to him... or was Mimir one of the Aesir who was killed by the Vanir and then Odin reanimated his severed head using magic herbs?

Ultimately, I would say that the actual events of Daima and Super don't seem to be compatible, even if they continue the trend of taking the same world and telling new stories in it.

Classical mythology comparisons? On my Kanzenshuu?



It is definitely a compelling comparison, and I guess it's an interesting case study on how the exact "track" of a story can change course over the span of a single lifetime. With nearly all works overseen by the original creator, even. Almost all of these post-Buu arc projects have the exact same inceptions, but all fell into Toriyama's lap at different points in his life, showing how his interests have both changed and in some ways remained the same:

- "Hey Toriyama-sensei, we want to make a new film/series but we want your blessing. What do you think of the material we have so far?"
- *laughs* "Looks good, do your thing. Ooh. Actually, I think I'll just rewrite the entire damn thing and give you a shitload of new concept art you have to use. I don't care if you use any of it, I just got carried away. *laughs* How does that sound?" *laughs* *drags cigarette*
- "... Okay, let's do that."

And it's interesting how these patterns emerged. Obviously, people immediately drew comparisons between Daima and GT's central concepts: Goku reverted to a child form, return to early lighthearted adventure tone, unfamiliar alien environs, etc. We know that Toriyama was only loosely involved in GT's early stages, providing concept art and such, but he didn't come up with all these ideas. However, I think Toriyama has always been the kind of creator who works best when bouncing off others' ideas. He's been that way since his manga career began.

Daima very much feels like Toriyama ripping off the band-aids and showing us how he truly envisioned a post-Buu arc storyline if he never had studio inference. Of course, the idea of a new anime was again presented to him by the studio first, but I get the feeling he wanted a chance to tell this particular story for quite some time. It's sad to think this way, but he likely knew it was his last chance to do so, considering the progression of his hematoma.

In hindsight, some of the similar ideas and themes used in Super feel like beta test versions of what he really wanted to do for Daima. Explorations of the divine/multiversal hierarchies, but it's all slightly different. There's a set of prototypical Dragon Balls, but they're slightly different. Shin and Kibito manage to separate themselves, but it's slightly different. Whether these are just minor inconsistencies in a greater tapestry, Toriyama intending for this to be part of another new timeline of canonical events, or some abstract representation of the sliding nature of myths... who can say for sure.

I wonder if, in a few decades or centuries, there'll be the Dragon Ball equivalent of Geoffrey of Monmouth (the guy who gave us a good chunk of what became pop culture fact about King Arthur and Camelot, among many other insights into Medieval misconceptions about Great Britain's own history) who'll write some counterfactual history book that completely fucks with the established narrative about Son Goku (and maybe even portrays him as a pseudo-folkloric historical figure). Considering how widely misinformation can already spread in this day and age, I don't think this is a far fetched theory.

[Robo4900]

I wonder if, in a few decades or centuries, there'll be the Dragon Ball equivalent of Geoffrey of Monmouth (the guy who gave us a good chunk of what became pop culture fact about King Arthur and Camelot, among many other insights into Medieval misconceptions about Great Britain's own history) who'll write some counterfactual history book that completely fucks with the established narrative about Son Goku (and maybe even portrays him as a pseudo-folkloric historical figure). Considering how widely misinformation can already spread in this day and age, I don't think this is a far fetched theory.

Well. Because of how copyright works, we're at least 70 years away from that. Unless you count fanfic, but no matter how good it is, the audience will always be too limited for something like it to be as influential as you suggest. So, once again we have an example of artistic expression being choked by the whims of big business interests. Oh well.

Still, it's an interesting thought.

I enjoyed your post btw, lots of interesting thoughts in there.

(As an update: Episode 11 trivia is waiting on KBABZ and me having a mutual block of free waking time. So close to Christmas, it's a bit difficult but we're working on it! As it is I've not actually even seen the episode yet.)

[KBABZ]

Daima very much feels like Toriyama ripping off the band-aids and showing us how he truly envisioned a post-Buu arc storyline if he never had studio inference.

What I find interesting about Daima though is something I mention in this week's Extra Trivia (assuming Robo doesn't veto it): Daima isn't a post-Boo storyline, it's a direct follow-up to it in a way we haven't seen since Namek followed the Saiyans. Nearly all of its ideas, be it the Demon Realm, Boo, magic, Dabura and Babidi, the Glind, and so-on, are continuations of things the Boo Arc introduces and focuses on. It's reinforced by Daima beginning only a few months after Boo, which is one of the shortest timeskips in the franchise's history (the only comparable one I can think of is from the Roshi Training Arc to the 21st Tournament).

All of that stuff is what separates Daima from GT, Super and DB Online for me, because those feel more detached from Boo and are more in spirit to how, say, the Boo Arc is to the Android Arc: big timeskip and new subject. In that sense it hews closer to "What if Toriyama didn't do the End of Z epilogue and instead wrote yet another new adventure instead of End of Z?", which is something I've been pondering ever since I came to the conclusion that Toriyama ended the manga through sheer burnout.

[Grimlock]

Depending on when you place Majin Buu saga, the timeskip can't be "only a few months", especially if you go by the guidebooks and place it on May.

If you think the timeskip between Majin Buu saga and Dragon Ball Daima is even shorter than the one between Pilaf saga and the 21st tournament (eight months) and assume it is at most seven months, it would mean Dragon Ball Daima happens on December, AGE 774 (again, if you place the tournament on May). Trunks' age prevents this, Dragon Ball Daima must take place at some point in AGE 775 if he's to celebrate his ninth birthday.

This becomes more problematic if you place Trunks birthday as in late AGE 766. That would put Dragon Ball Daima in late AGE 775, so definitely not "only a few months" after Majin Buu saga. We could be talking about more than a full year after said saga in this case.

Either you change the month the 25th tournament occurs, and/or you change Trunks' birth month to make all of this work.

[Robo4900]

Depending on when you place Majin Buu saga, the timeskip can't be "only a few months", especially if you go by the guidebooks and place it on May.

Daima takes place during the time the Dragon Balls were still stone after the wish to make everyone forget about Majin Boo.

[KBABZ]

Depending on when you place Majin Buu saga, the timeskip can't be "only a few months", especially if you go by the guidebooks and place it on May.

Daima takes place during the time the Dragon Balls were still stone after the wish to make everyone forget about Majin Boo.

Which, it must be said, could be even shorter than normal if that was the only wish they made. As shown in the Boo Arc when they only wished to resurrect everyone Vegeta killed, "Three Wishes" Shen Long will have a shorter cooldown period if you don't use all three wishes.

IMO it's actually easier to change the date the 25th Tournament took place. Remember when the 2020 Olympics were in 2021? (and, honestly, the Daizenshuu aren't the be-all end-all of Dragon Ball canon)

[Robo4900]

Depending on when you place Majin Buu saga, the timeskip can't be "only a few months", especially if you go by the guidebooks and place it on May.

Daima takes place during the time the Dragon Balls were still stone after the wish to make everyone forget about Majin Boo.

Which, it must be said, could be even shorter than normal if that was the only wish they made. As shown in the Boo Arc when they only wished to resurrect everyone Vegeta killed, "Three Wishes" Shen Long will have a shorter cooldown period if you don't use all three wishes.

IMO it's actually easier to change the date the 25th Tournament took place. Remember when the 2020 Olympics were in 2021? (and, honestly, the Daizenshuu aren't the be-all end-all of Dragon Ball canon)

IIRC the 25th Tournament's date is actually only listed in the Daizenshuu anyway?

As you say, they're far from the be-all end-all. I seem to recall most of the guide material was written by Toei/Shueisha staffers anyway, with just some guidance from Toriyama, so they're hardly authoritative.

Daima takes place during the time the Dragon Balls were still stone after the wish to make everyone forget about Majin Boo.

In that case, we must assume at least one other wish was made besides that one.

I'm more willing to assume some Daizenshuu dates are wrong than to assume some new significant story detail like a whole extra wish.

EDIT: You deleted your post.

[KBABZ]

IIRC the 25th Tournament's date is actually only listed in the Daizenshuu anyway?

That tracks. To my recollection the only time the manga has ever been particular about dates is the arrival of the Androids.

Being fudgy with the dates isn't anything new of course, given the Red Ribbon Arc indirectly contradicts the mechanics of the titular Dragon Balls by not giving them enough time to recharge!

Daima takes place during the time the Dragon Balls were still stone after the wish to make everyone forget about Majin Boo.

In that case, we must assume at least one other wish was made besides that one.

Maybe Vegeta finally got those boots he joked about.

[Robo4900]

Being fudgy with the dates isn't anything new of course, given the Red Ribbon Arc indirectly contradicts the mechanics of the titular Dragon Balls by not giving them enough time to recharge!

True!

IIRC the gap between the first and second wishes is 8 months?... and that's not accounting for the time Goku and the Red Ribbon Army spent searching for them prior to that.

[Grimlock]

Daima takes place during the time the Dragon Balls were still stone after the wish to make everyone forget about Majin Boo.

(This is ignoring Goku's statement to wait "six months" to summon Shenlong again, because one wish was made in Majin Buu saga, to which Dende says that the Dragon Balls would recharge in four months. I don't know where Toriyama took the "six months" idea from. This is also assuming everyone places the tournament on May).

The wish to erase people's memories from Majin Buu happens on September, four months after Majin Buu saga. If that was the only wish made, then it means Dragon Ball Daima occurs at some point between September, AGE 774 and January AGE 775.

While we don't know the exact month Trunks was born, we know he was born after May (as per himself, from the future). So Trunks couldn't be celebrating his ninth birthday as we see in Dragon Ball Daima. We must assume two other wishes were made alongside the one related to Majin Buu so that the Dragon Balls can still be stones at that point in time. Or just simply change when Majin Buu saga happens, move it bit farther in the year (that would automatically move when the wish to erase people's memories happened as well), that would solve it too.

EDIT: You deleted your post.

Sorry about it. I remembered some other pieces of information after I submitted the post.

Maybe Vegeta finally got those boots he joked about.

Try to come up with another thing they could have wished for, it's three wishes!

[Robo4900]

The wish to erase people's memories from Majin Buu happens on September, four months after Majin Buu saga. If that was the only wish made, then it means Dragon Ball Daima occurs at some point between September, AGE 774 and January AGE 775.

According to the Daizenshuu.

According to the show itself, Daima takes place after the wish to erase the memories of Boo.

Your only evidence for Daima taking place anywhere else is dates given in a secondary guidebook, and the extent of your point is "there's a contradiction of the dates given in this guidebook," to which the natural conclusion is the guidebook is wrong. Instead, you're deciding the text of the show is wrong.

"This tie-in book from 1982 says 3PO is this many years old, but the Phantom Menace shows him to still be incomplete many years after that, meaning 3PO must have been built much earlier by someone other than Anakin and Anakin lied to take credit for it." ... Or the 1982 book is wrong.

If you must keep yammering on about this same point, I suggest you open another thread for it.

[omegalucas]

I wonder if, in a few decades or centuries, there'll be the Dragon Ball equivalent of Geoffrey of Monmouth (the guy who gave us a good chunk of what became pop culture fact about King Arthur and Camelot, among many other insights into Medieval misconceptions about Great Britain's own history) who'll write some counterfactual history book that completely fucks with the established narrative about Son Goku (and maybe even portrays him as a pseudo-folkloric historical figure). Considering how widely misinformation can already spread in this day and age, I don't think this is a far fetched theory.

That already exists. It's the Dragon Ball Wiki.

[KBABZ]

That already exists. It's the Dragon Ball Wiki.

It still kills me slowly anytime I have to use that for research because Kanzenshuu's wiki doesn't exist yet >_<

[Robo4900]

That already exists. It's the Dragon Ball Wiki.

It still kills me slowly anytime I have to use that for research because Kanzenshuu's wiki doesn't exist yet >_<

Well, it does exist, it's just private until it's Just Right.

--

That shade-throwing aside, onward to trivia!!

Episode 1 Errata:

• Neva uses the wooden staff design as Kami used to. Karin also notably has the same staff design, despite not having any relation to Kami outside of the connection between their lookouts.
• With the recap of the Boo Arc, the creation of Boo offshoots, the exploration of the lands of the Majin, and the new lore surrounding the Kaioshin, Daima is the second Dragon Ball arc to be an immediate follow-up to the arc that preceded it, the Boo Arc. The original case of this is the Namek Arc immediately continuing the story and ideas of the Saiyan Arc, but there are other follow-up storylines too:
  • The Android Arc is a (rather non-immediate) follow-up to the Red Ribbon Army Arc, although this is mainly used in service of Gero's backstory and is otherwise irrelevant. Both would be followed up with the Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero movie, or the Super Android 17 Arc in GT.
  • Dragon Ball Super's Universe Survival Arc is a continuation of the themes and format of the Universe 6 arc, both being tournaments between multiple universes, and sharing many of the same characters.
  • A case could be made that GT's Baby Arc follows up the Black Star Dragon Ball Arc, however in KBABZ and Robo's opinion, this is more the storyline changing mid-arc due to external production issues. Indeed, the Black Star Arc shares very little thematically with the Baby Arc, and is deprioritized and wrapped up as quickly as possible so that Baby can take over. In that sense it's more like the transition from the Android Arc to the Cell Arc – although narratively the Baby Arc is far less connected to its predecessor than the Cell Arc is to its.

Episode 10 Errata:

• Despite being formed from Fat Boo and a Saibaiman, Majin Coo speaks more intelligently than either of them (or at all, in the Saibaiman's case!).
• The reveal that the Kaioshin are a doomed race due to the death of their trees has interesting implications for Super (assuming they're applicable to one-another, of course). This is because Super explained that a God of Destruction's life is tied directly to that of their Universe's Kaioshin. With no replacements, this would mean the Gods of Destruction are just as doomed as the Kaioshin are, and may explain why the Kaioshin are rather hands-off in their rule.
• Surprise reveals and expansions on the godly hierarchy are hardly new to Dragon Ball:
  • The very beginning of this journey could arguably be when Goku met God (ie Kami) at the end of the Piccolo Daimao Arc, mainly for the comedic punchline of Goku "meeting God".
  • In the Saiyan Arc we meet "Kaio," or the "Lord of Worlds" as the Viz Manga calls him. In the Namek Arc we learn that the titular planet is outside his jurisdiction, which in hindsight may have implied the existence of the other three.
  • In the anime's Saiyan Arc, Kaio mentions that planet Vegeta had a God of its own who destroyed the planet with an asteroid for its hubris. While this has obviously been rendered non-canon by the reveal of Freeza and the Bardock backstory, to date it's the only time a God of any other planet has ever been mentioned. The closest "not filler" equivalent would probably be Namek's Grand Elder position.
  • In the anime's Other World Tournament, we learn that "Kaio" was just North Kaio, and that there are three more "cardinal direction" Kaio, in addition to the Grand Kaio who rules over them (in the manga, we only see South Kaio, in the middle of the Great Saiyaman Arc).
  • The Boo Arc reveals Kaioshin (ie Shin, or Nahare as we learn in Daima), who rules above all the Kaio, (Grand Kaio included, in the anime at least). During the Boo Arc we also meet Old Kaioshin, Nahare's predecessor who was sealed inside the Z-Sword.
  • When Pure Boo begins to form, Kaioshin reveals the existence of the other "cardinal direction" Kaioshin; North, West and South Kaioshin were killed by Pure Boo, while the Grand Kaioshin is absorbed by Pure Boo, which inadvertently forms Fat Boo. This leaves East Kaioshin (ie Nahare) as the only one left. As we learn in Daima, the death of the Glinds' trees meant no new Kaioshin could be selected to replace them. This may also apply the Kaioshin of the other universes we saw in Super, although why those universes all have just one Kaioshin wasn't explained.
  • In Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods, we learn about Beerus, the God of Destruction, and Whis, his Angel assistant, who exist "alongside" the Kaioshin rather than above them (despite being much more powerful and having their lives tied together). At the end of the movie, Beerus mentions the existence of other Universes to Goku directly (Daima mentions these too, but thus far no mortal character has been around to hear this information). Super reveals that powerful individuals can be considered candidates (such as Goku, Vegeta, Top, Jiren, and Gohan), which raises its own questions regarding their relationship with their Kaioshin.
  • In Super's Universe 6 Arc, we learn that each Universe has its own God of Destruction + Angel pair.
  • At the end of Super's Universe 6 Arc, we learn about the Omni-King, who rules over the entire Omniverse, and is said to be the ultimate, top-level supreme being. The Future Trunks Arc pulls in a second Omni-King from the titular timeline, and was the debut of Gowasu, the North Kaioshin of Universe 10, and his protégé Zamasu.
  • Daima's contribution to this journey includes explaining that Kaioshin are of a race called Glind who originate from the Demon Realm, as well as Supreme King Zymus who created all the Universes that the Glind watch over as Kaioshin. What makes Daima unique is that, despite taking place earlier than Super, its reveal of Zymus means it's added something above the Omni-King, rather than something lower in the hierarchy. How Zymus' position relates to the rather similar Omni-King is unknown at this time - assuming the Omni-King exists in Daima's continuity, of course.

KBABZ outdid herself for the errata this week. Worth the wait, I think.

But without further ado, the latest episode.

Episode 455 - Legend (Daima episode 11)
Originally aired 20th of December 2024
Written by: Yūko Kakihara
Episode director: Yūichi Tsuzuki
Animation supervisor: Kōji Watanabe & Hiromi Ishigami
Chief animation supervisor: Takeo Ide

Having regrouped with Vegeta and the others, Goku and his companions arrive at a planet that seems familiar. As they move to head out, a suspicious shadow approaches! It's the Legendary Namek who remained alone in the Demon Realm!

Trivia:

Spoiler:

• Episode 11 of Daima had its premiere on Fuji TV delayed by five minutes thanks to a figure-skating broadcast.
• After Episode 10 used the shortest edit of the recap thus far, Episode 11 uses the longest recap edit (that isn't the full-length version from Episode 1).
• Overall, Episode 11 pulls out all the stops to extend the length of the episode with non-story content: the longest recap edit, the intro, a title card, and proper eyecatches.
• Hybis interestingly stays behind on the ship during the scene with Neva.
• Neva breaks the fourth wall by singing the opening line of Dragon Ball's original theme: "Let's go grab them up! The Dragon Balls!". The translation used in Toei's provided subtitles are an exact match to the translation used for Dragon Ball's intro on streaming services, but it remains to be seen if Funimation will use "Find the Dragon Balls! Look out for them all!" to reflect their dubbed intro lyrics.
  • By pure fortune, the opening line is rather broad in its wording, and thus can fit with the "defeat the Tamagami to collect them" nature of the Demon Realm Dragon Balls, in addition to the "find them scattered across the world" nature of Earth's Dragon Balls as the lyrics were written for.
• Neva states that Warrior Namekians are rare. This is borne out in the classic anime: of all the Namekians we've met, only five are Warriors: Piccolo, Nail, and the three Namekians who try to fight Frieza's men at Dende's village. All others are either unconfirmed or of the Dragon Clan (such as Dende), meaning they are more talented with magic instead of martial arts.
  • It's unknown whether or not Piccolo being a Warrior Namekian either overwrites or pairs with Daimao being of the Demon Clan (ie, if Piccolo is a Warrior of the Demon Clan). KBABZ is speculating here, but she thinks it's possible that Daimao "rerolled" the class of his reincarnation to be a Warrior specifically so that they're fit for the task of killing Goku. Robo, meanwhile, has always assumed they're both Warriors.
• Piccolo confirming that Katatz was his father is the first time he's actually said the name of his father. Katatz's only other mention was from the previous Grand Elder in the Namek Arc, back in chapter 265 of the manga.
  • Notably, in the Japanese dialogue Piccolo refers to Katatz using the gender neutral term "kyōdai", which translates to "parent" rather than the male term "father" (which is what the subtitles use). This of course reflects that Namekians are gender-neutral, despite having a traditionally masculine appearance.
• Neva states that Piccolo is a strange name. This is an appropriate reaction, as Namekian names are usually puns of snails and slugs. Piccolo however predated this idea, and used musical instruments for the names of himself and his offspring. Considering Piccolo is the evil half of a Namekian who forgot his own name, this makes sense!
• Neva states that had Gomah wished for anything else, he would have pretended to be senile in order to prevent that from happening. The fact that he DIDN'T when Gomah travelled to Earth and wished the Dragon Team into children implies that he knew it wouldn't do anything to prevent them from being a threat.
• In a way, Neva could be compared to the wizard Merlin in the Arthurian myths. An insanely ancient being of a demonic origin (Geoffrey of Monmouth had him born of a virgin and a demon – later myths reframed this to in fact have him be a foiled attempt at the birth of the Antichrist), who has knowledge of the future and is known to manipulate people to achieve his goals. Shoutout to LoganForkHands73 for mentioning Geoffrey of Monmouth earlier, upthread.
• Neva states directly that Dende's absence from Earth (or at least Universe 7) means that Earth's Dragon Balls cannot be used. We speculated on this before, but until now it was only implied.
  • A similar inconvenience is when the Dragon Balls would turn to stone in the event of Shen Long or their creator dying. We currently don't know if the Dragon Balls have turned to stone after Dende was stolen, since they haven't been seen since after Gomah made his wish.
• Neva also states that Namekians must never use their power for conflict. This is again internally consistent: the Namekians on, well, Namek, are all peaceful folk, whilst Piccolo used his power for evil, which fits rather well with him being of the Demon Clan. This also reflects in how rare Warrior Namekians are.
• In Toei's provided subtitles, Bulma describes Porunga as "the Planet Namek Shenron", which is a rather sloppy translation in KBABZ and Robo's opinion. In the original Japanese, Earth's dragon is referred to as Shen Long, which is both a name and a literal description, translating to "Dragon God" (which was fine when Shen Long was the only one). Funimation turned this into the more name-like "Shenron" during the in-house dub of Z, and since Toei now use Funimation's old names as the official English names, "Shenron" is used for Bulma's line. Needless to say, this completely misses the context behind the term in their own language.
  • A more dub-compliant version of the line might be "Planet Namek's Eternal Dragon", although the "Eternal Dragon" translated name hasn't been used in a very long time – it was phased out during the early Funimation in-house era in favour of the transliterated name Shenron.
• Both the Demon Realm's dragon and Porunga require speaking in Namekian in order to summon them and make wishes. Shen Long meanwhile does not, which again reflects the backstory; he was created by Kami, who was unfamiliar with Namekian traditions and thus wouldn't have enforced that.
• Piccolo did in fact used to know Namekian, both in his "Ma-Junior" form and as Kami: both spoke it to each-other during the 23rd Tournament, in one of Toriyama's rare instances of foreshadowing. If that was the last time either of them spoke it, that would mean Piccolo hasn't done so for 19 years.
  • Piccolo also now has Nail as part of his makeup, who presumably also knew how to speak Namekian. However Nail only assimilated with Piccolo on Namek for a power boost: at no point has Piccolo ever shown that he gained any knowledge from this. Indeed, Nail would have certainly known that Namekians traditionally only use their power for peaceful purposes, yet this information is still a surprise to Piccolo! And yet despite that, Dende seemed to recognise Piccolo as Nail when he first saw him after the merger.
• In the wide shot at the end of Neva's scene, the bubble windshield is rendered on top of the antennae that's supposed to be stuck on the top of it.
• The scene with Marba preparing Majin Doo reveals that the strength of a Saibaiman is directly related to how deep their seeds are planted in the ground. This gives very interesting context to Nappa planting them back in the Saiyan Arc: he knew exactly how deep to bury the seeds so that they would be about as strong as Raditz.
  • KBABZ speculates that this may have been to size up the Dragon Team by roughly replicating the battle power of someone Nappa and Vegeta were familiar with, which is certainly helpful because they had both taken off their Scouters at that point. This information would be, well, informative later: all of them proved capable of matching the Saibaimen (yes, even Yamcha), and Vegeta later takes the threat of Goku extremely seriously, given he defeated Raditz a year earlier.
  • There's a secondary implication that, had Nappa messed up and accidentally buried the seeds too deep, the Saibaimen would have become more powerful than him and possibly even Vegeta!
• It appears Neva finally took a shower, as Panzy doesn't complain about any body odor despite sitting right behind him. Neva not taking one may have been part of his senile act to Gomah so he wouldn't be considered a threat.
• Strangely, Hybis sits in the back of the plane, despite being the widest member of the group. Not very space efficient!
• Neva's expectation that the Namekians will return someday to the Second Demon World may be mis-guided. New Sir Warp restrictions aside, after Namek was destroyed by Freeza the Namekians opted to wish for a new homeworld in New Namek, rather than wish themselves back to the Second Demon World. This may have been because, as far as they knew, it was still under the rule of someone like King Dabura or Gomah. Then again, Neva is very good at predicting the future!
• It's revealed that Neva created the Tamagami later so that the Demon Realm Dragon Balls couldn't be used easily. Since Neva didn't go with the Namekians to planet Namek, this may be why they have five additional Dragon Balls in their set: being more numerous may have been a way to make up for the lack of Tamagami to defend them.
• Neva confirms that a Tamagami fight must be one-on-one, again implying a somewhat official nature to challenging them that's reminiscent of past tournaments.
• It appears that Majin Coo has fully healed by the time the creation of Majin Doo begins, as he lacks the scratch lines on his body from the scene inside Marba's hut.
• Unlike his master, Arinsu, Majin Coo has to use a ruler to get the depth for the Saibaiman seed correct.
• Majin Coo states he's always wanted a brother, despite only existing for a few hours!
  • As pointed out by Kanzenshuu, Coo uses the word "kyōdai" in the Japanese dialogue. This term means "brother" in a broader, emotional sense, rather than being limited by direct blood relation. In Dragon Ball, this is the word Cell used when describing himself to Piccolo, due to having some of Piccolo's DNA in him.
• Arinsu's cold nature is reflected in that she doesn't care that Majin Coo is getting a new family member. It's likely this extends to her feelings on Nahare and Degesu, as well as Majin Coo himself.
• Majin Doo's name pun raises the possibility that the name theme for Boo is to move down every consonant in the English alphabet. This is why we're calling him "Majin Coo" for now – KBABZ is on the fence, but Robo is all for it, with the understanding that we may very well be wrong!
  • In case you're curious, the complete list of possible "Boo alphabet" names would be: Boo, Coo, Doo, Foo, Goo, Hoo, Joo, Koo, Loo, Moo, Noo, Poo, Qoo, Roo, Soo, Too, Voo, Woo, Xoo, Yoo and Zoo.
  • Of the above, Boo, Goo, Loo, Moo, Poo, Roo, Too and Zoo are actual English words!
  • It's great for Majin Doo that he doesn't just have Coo as his family, he also has Scooby-Doo, Enkidu...
• Oddly, Doo has a portly appearance like Fat Boo, despite this being a feature that only appeared because of absorbing the Grand Kaioshin. It's possible this is because the Boo fragment that Arinsu recovered was Fat Boo at the time, thus allowing Majin Doo to inherit that trait.
• The stronger influence of Boo in Majin Doo's makeup is reflected in his eyes: red iris' with black schlera. This is the same as Super Boo and Pure Boo, although the red iris' were somewhat inconsistent in the anime (they're white in the Full Color manga and the Japanese cut of Kai: The Final Chapters). Doo also has Boo's famous antenna tendril (antendril?) on his head.
• Majin's Doo's first action is to scream loudly, which happens to be Tamagami Number Three's first action.
• Majin Doo raising his hand and saying N'cha is a direct reference to Arale from Doctor Slump. N'cha was Arale's standard greeting, similar to "Ossu!" for Goku, and was even in the Japanese title for the first Doctor Slump crossover episode in the original Dragon Ball anime.
• Like Goku back in Episode 7, and complimenting Doo's "N'cha!", Coo runs just like Arale does, with his arms sticking out sideways like an aeroplane.
• Majin Coo states that he'll give Doo half of his chocolate. However the block he bought has five columns and three rows, meaning it's impossible to divide it evenly when snapping it with your hands. Coo gives Doo the smaller half of two columns, keeping the three-column half for himself.
• When Doo headbutts Tamagami Number One, he says "Katchin!". This is the onomatopoeic sound that provides the name for Katchintite (or Clangite, as Viz calls it).
• The Dragon Team, sans Glorio, are sleeping by the time they arrive at Tamagami Number Two. It's yet to be confirmed whether the Second Demon Realm has a day / night cycle, or if it effectively has none like planet Namek does.
• The Dragon Ball "hologram" behind Tamagami Number Two is solid, as the waterfall flows off of it rather than through it.
• Number Two's Dragon Ball mural is the only one to be positioned vertically; the murals for One and Three are horizontal as part of a floor.
• Further, Tamagami Number Two and Three are the only ones to be at ground level when they're at rest, while Number One stands on top of a tall podium.
• It takes Majin Doo 28 seconds to land a hit on Tamagami Number One. By comparison, Goku had to power up to Super Saiyan before he could hit Number Three, while Majin Coo couldn't land a hit on Number One at all!
• The second time Doo gets a solid hit in the fight, it's on himself via blasting himself in the face trying out ki attacks for the first time.
• Majin Doo doesn't know how to do a ki attack until Number One does it first, similar to Pure Boo instantly learning how to teleport after seeing Goku do it. This talent is retained after King Yenma reincarnates Pure Boo into Oob, as Goku would discover in "End of Z".
• Before his fight with Tamagami Number Two, Vegeta uses the same leg stretching warm-up that's normally associated with Goku!
• Bulma never actually states if Vegeta is weaker than Goku or not.
• Unlike Number Three, Number Two is skeptical that Vegeta will be a challenge based on his physical age.
• Early in the fight with Number Two, Bulma states to Panzy that Vegeta hasn't even started yet. Kaioshin said something similar to her early in Goku's fight with Number Three.
• The inclusion of the Kraken means that Number Two is the only Tamagami to have an environmental hazard as part of fighting him (unless there's something we don't know about Number One's location, of course).
• Episode 11 is the first Daima episode to start a fight and not resolve it by the end. In fact, it does this with two fights!
• Episode 12 is the first Daima episode to use more than one word in the English translation of its episode title: "True Strength". The original Japanese name however is still one word: "Sokodjikara".

[Robo4900]

We're at it again!

Man I love this show. Don't you? I can't quite believe we've finally got properly good Dragon Ball again! Even if the show doesn't stick the landing, it's at least good!

Extra Trivia:

• One of the visual jokes of Namek is that the sky is green and the plants are blue, the inverse of Earth. This is similar to a visual gag Toriyama used for The Adventures of Tongpoo, where the birds swim in the water and the fish fly in the air.
• Episode 11 - It takes 10 episodes for the Dragon Team to learn why Gomah even wished them into children in the first place!

Episode 456 - True Strength (Daima episode 12)
Originally aired 27th of December 2024
Written by: Yūko Kakihara
Episode director: Kazuya Karasawa
Animation supervisor: Yūichi Hamano
Chief animation supervisor: Yūya Takahashi & Emiko Miyamoto

Having regrouped with Vegeta and the others, Goku and his companions arrive at a planet that seems familiar. As they move to head out, a suspicious shadow approaches! It's the Legendary Namek who remained alone in the Demon Realm!

Trivia:

Spoiler:

• Episode 12 of Daima aired on December 27th, with Episode 13 to debut on January 3rd. This marks Daima as the first Dragon Ball anime to not take a break over New Years', likely because it was animated well in advance, while previous works (like the manga, Z, GT and Super) were made week to week.
• The Japanese title for this episode is "Sokojikara", which has been translated to "True Strength" as the episode title (making it the first Daima episode title to be more than one word, in English at least). However Google Translate offers "Potential" as an alternate translation. Considering True Strength likely refers to Vegeta debuting Super Saiyan 3, "Potential" doesn't quite hit the mark. Robo suggests "Unleashed" or perhaps "Wildcard" for a more eccentric choice.
• The description for Episode 12 interestingly notes that Vegeta isn't used to fighting underwater. Indeed, he has never been depicted doing so until now!
• Oddly, the start of this episode removes the shot of the kraken falling into the water from the end of Episode 11, making it appear to instantly disappear under the waves, no splashes or anything!
• This episode makes extensive use of computer-generated water effects. Its appearance is small, dense ripple formations, which contrast with the large, smooth waves of the 2D-animated water.
• Vegeta states that he's not used to the body of a child, to explain why he got caught by the kraken. This is something Goku actively prepared for back in Episode 2 (which Vegeta chastised him over), perhaps explaining why Vegeta initially has trouble in his first serious fight since becoming a child again.
• Vegeta debuts his use of Super Saiyan in Daima in a single frame. This is in contrast to Goku, whose first two uses of it in the show were drawn-out, multi-shot affairs.
• We've gotten in trouble with this before, but Vegeta rather clearly uses Super Saiyan 2 to escape from the kraken's mouth, as evidenced by the lightning bolts that appear alongside the aura.
  • In the manga, Vegeta had previously used Super Saiyan 2 only once, whilst fighting Goku in the Boo Arc. The anime added several more uses: while fighting Super Boo before Goku arrives with the Potara Earrings, stalling Kid Boo while Goku charges the Genki-Dama, in the Fusion Reborn movie, and fighting Super 17 and Omega Shenlong in GT. All but the first and last instances actually show the lightning, which makes it a bit unclear whether he's using it or not, since Vegeta's hair already stands upright with no drooping bangs.
• In the shot of Goku landing with the rest of the group, he snaps from his falling pose to his standing pose in a single frame.
• Doo refusing to fight unless he's been fed is similar to an old trait Goku had as a kid. The difference is that while Goku needed food because he was genuinely hungry and thus low on energy, Doo refuses to attack Tamagami Number One and runs away until he's given the sweet treat he wants.
• The powered-up form that Neva gives Tamagami Number Two is similar to the "red hot" appearance that Numbers One and Three take when their opponent pressures them.
• When Degesu swipes right to check on Tamagami Number One, the new panel briefly has a screensaver / loading screen. It shows three spinning rings in black, white and red contained inside the Gendarmerie U emblem, likely representing the three Demon Worlds under his rule. These are the same colours used for the eye-like circle when this emblem is shown on Gendarmerie tunics and ships, and as we've noted before happen to match the eyeball on Hybis' belt.
• It takes the Gendarmerie 11 minutes and 15 seconds to notice Majin Doo fighting Tamagami Number One (counting the fight's runtime in the previous episode). While incredibly sloppy, this is actually better than in Episode 10, where it took them 15 minutes and 28 seconds to notice Coo fighting Number One!
• Coo's shopping bag full of chocolate has a logo on it resembling King Gomah's head. There's some Japanese text under it, but we can't read Japanese and thus don't know what it says.
• Majin Coo was thoughtful enough to unwrap the bar of chocolate before he threw it at his brother, allowing him to eat it instantly. He'd previously done this on-screen in Episode 11, so we don't actually know if Doo would be able to take the packaging off if this isn't done for him!
• Of the Tamagami, Number One is the only one to turn "red hot" whilst still holding his weapon, revealing that the weapon also turns red when this happens! In contrast, Number Two's trident doesn't change colour after Neva powers him up to "blue hot" (or whatever it's meant to be called).
• Tamagami Number One is the only Tamagami to be defeated without having his weapon snapped in two during the fight. He does however lose the sword at the fight's conclusion, meaning all three Tamagami aren't holding their weapon by the time they concede defeat.
• There's a lot to talk about regarding Tamagami Number One's number adding challenge!
  • There are a total of 140 values displayed in the challenge, but only 83 values are shown on-screen. 57 numbers appear off-screen: 11 in the "beeping" section and 46 in the "rapid" section (the rapidly-displayed numbers appear for seven frames each).
  • The total value of the 83 values we see on-screen add up to 544,822,818. This means that the 57 off-screen numbers make up the missing 138,952,211, for the grand total of 683,775,029.
  • The 140 values displayed during the challenge average out to 4,884,107.35 per displayed value.
  • The initial number display in Number One's Dragon Ball projection is made up of six digits, but the count actually goes as high as eight!
  • The numbers only ever get higher in value... except in the close-up of Majin Coo's eye, where it goes down twice! First, the number goes up to 9,891, then jumps down to 9,087, where it resumes climbing higher again. The second time it happens, it goes from 9,456 to 9,413 and then to 9,455. This avoids the value going into five digits during this shot, although why we're not really sure.
  • Despite the above, no value is displayed more than once during the challenge.
  • The smallest jump in value is during the close-up of Majin Coo's eye, where the number goes from 9,208 to 9,209 (one may consider this a tie with the initial jump from 0 to 1, however).
  • Every single digit, from 0-9, is used during the challenge, making it possible to figure out the displayed values. Oddly, only 0 and 9 are angular; the rest are more cursive in their appearance.
  • The way Number One acts surprised that Doo made a guess, before glancing at the concealed number behind him, suggests that the values are generated randomly every time the challenge is held, meaning that even Number One has no idea what the total value will be!
  • As far as we can tell, there seems to be no real pattern to the actual numbers used. Robo entered a run of the numbers into the Online Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences to check. We found nothing.
  • Number One's mental challenge is unique for not actually being a "trick question" or otherwise requiring lateral thinking – Number Three throws the ball away from the cups amidst the chaos, and the answer to Number Two's question doesn't relate at all to the number of biscuits at the end of the story.
• Arinsu calls out the ludicrous difficulty of the Tamagami's mental challenge, just like Panzy did back in Number Three's challenge.
• When Degesu swipes left to check back on Tamagami Number Two, the first panel to whizz by depicts the giant waffle planet, which is where Glorio took Goku and Kaioshin to the Demon Realm via Sir Warp back in Episode 3.
• It appears that Vegeta isn't electrocuted by the Super Saiyan 2 lightning when he uses the form underwater.
• Dragon Ball Daima Episode 12 marks the debut of Vegeta using Super Saiyan 3 in a major piece of Dragon Ball animation (and one penned by Toriyama, no less!). Vegeta had previously been depicted using it in various video games, debuting in Dragon Ball Z: Dragon Battlers in June 2009 (the predecessor to Dragon Ball Heroes), and later that November in a What If? scenario and bespoke character in Dragon Ball: Raging Blast. It made its animation debut in another video game ten years later: 2019's Super Dragon Ball Heroes: World Mission for Nintendo Switch.
• Vegeta's Super Saiyan 3 hair is shorter and more rigid compared to Goku and Gotenks' SS3 hair. As Kanzenshuu explains, this hair is actually close to one of Toriyama's early design sketches for SS3 Goku.
  • The other sketch showed the user regaining their Saiyan tail, a trait that would be used by GT's Super Saiyan 4.
• Goku is ever so slightly annoyed that Vegeta has been hiding Super Saiyan 3 from him until now. This is somewhat hypocritical as Goku did the same during his "all out" fight with Vegeta in the Boo Arc, something Vegeta did not hesitate to call Goku out on the next time they met.
• Vegeta never throws a single punch after he turns Super Saiyan 3 in this episode, much like Freeza briefly did while fighting Goku on Namek. Aside from breaking Tamagami's Number Two's trident and firing the Galick Gun, he keeps his arms crossed as he fights Number Two.
• On top of that, Vegeta never utters a word or even a vocal grunt whilst in Super Saiyan 3, possibly reflecting how easy the fight is for him at that point. He only vocalizes whilst firing the Galick Gun, and when he scoffs at Number Two after he concedes defeat.
• Vegeta nonchalantly deflecting Number Two's trident with his index finger is of course reminiscent of Goku doing the same with Future Trunks' sword at the start of the Android Arc. However Goku never caught the sword between his fingers like Vegeta does here, let alone snap it in two!
• To defeat Tamagami Number Two, Vegeta uses the exact same tactic that Goku did to defeat him in Episode 1 and to Number One in Episode 8: he fires his signature attack and uses that as a diversion to get in close and punch his opponent in the face shortly after they've thrown the attack up into the air. Goku and Vegeta even defeat their Tamagami to the same background music!
• Vegeta is the first character to punch his opponent through an entire planet (albeit a rather small one).
• All three Tamagami lose their battles by conceding defeat, rather than being killed outright. This allows them to hold their mental challenges afterwards.
• Vegeta is caught by surprise that there's more to fighting Number Two, meaning Goku never let him know about the mental challenge before they arrived!
• Here's the full play-by-play on Johnny's biscuits in the story told by Tamagami Number Two:
  • First, Johnny is given 15 biscuits by his mother.
  • Second, Johnny eats one-third of the biscuits (5), leaving him with 10.
  • Third, Jiro the goat asks for half (5) of Johnny's biscuits, leaving him with 5.
  • Fourth, Jiro returns 2 biscuits, leaving Johnny with 7.
  • Fifth, Johhny gives Saburo the dog 1 biscuit, leaving him with 6.
  • Sixth, Shiro the monkey steals 3 biscuits, leaving Johnny with 3.
  • Seventh, he gives Ichiro the snake his remaining biscuits, meaning that the snake would have been given three biscuits (of course, this ignores Ichiro being unable to eat them).
• The picture cards used by Number Two accurately portray the number of biscuits being given / taken away in the story!
• At the point in the story where Johnny gives Saburo the dog 1 biscuit, in the background Goku has visibly miscalculated: he's raising 7 fingers, when Johnny should have 6 biscuits!
• Because Number Two only has three fingers and a thumb per hand, he has to use two hands to convey the five seconds Vegeta has remaining.
• Ichiro the snake not eating any biscuits is actually accurate! Monkeys, being primates, are able to eat biscuits, goats will generally eat anything and can be fed animal crackers, and dogs of course have dog biscuits as their food!
  • As far as we are aware, science has not yet invented a snake biscuit – mind you, it may be difficult to invent one with how their teeth and digestive systems work; they are the only abject carnivore featured in the story, after all.
• While they don't appear as such in Number Two's picture cards, cookies with any chocolate included is toxic to snakes: chocolate contains theobromine, which is poisonous to many animals, snakes included (this is also why dogs shouldn't eat chocolate).
• All three of the Tamagami mental challenges are difficult primarily because they overwhelm the challenger with a large amount of information to keep track of.
• It takes Tamagami Number Two 28 seconds to count down ten seconds. That's almost triple the time!
• Goku is the only challenger to defeat a Tamagami's mental challenge via genuine means. Vegeta only won his via a blind guess, while Doo was given outside assistance thanks to Coo doing the work for him.
• Goku is also the only Tamagami victor to thank them for handing him the Dragon Ball, let alone bow to them in respect.
• Vegeta is the only Tamagami victor to not celebrate his accomplishment. He doesn't thank or bow to the Tamagami either, yet claims to be "refined" a moment later. Dickens would be proud.
• This is the first time Vegeta has acquired a Dragon Ball as a good guy!
• It's also the second time Vegeta has handled a Two-Star Dragon Ball: the first time was when he stole Freeza's balls during the Namek Arc. In fact, the Two-Star ball was the very first one he threw out the window of Freeza's ship!
• Vegeta mentions that planet Vegeta had snakes. This somewhat implies that someone, at some point in Saiyan history, tried to feed one a biscuit.
• Goku states that Vegeta "used to be fine with eating critters". This possibly refers to Vegeta's debut panel in the manga, where he's shown eating the arm of a local alien he and Nappa had just killed (this shot is often used to show Vegeta's incorrect colour palette in the anime until his arrival on Earth, due to Toriyama not providing Toei with his colours before they animated him).
• This is the second episode in a row where a villain, now ally, states they lost one of their old traits (last week, it was Piccolo and the Namekian language).
• In the wide shot panning from Tamagami Number Two to the ship, the kraken can be seen chilling in the ocean.
• Episode 12 is the first Daima episode to have no major lore drops, primarily because...
• Episode 12 is also the first Daima episode to be comprised almost entirely of fight scenes, thanks to having two take place at once!
• Piccolo has zero dialogue in this episode.

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If you really, honestly, absolutely MUST know every single number displayed on-screen during Tamagami Number One's mental challenge, well, here you are:

Spoiler:

• 1
• 4
• 8
• 17
• 23
• 30
• 35
• 38
• 50
• 58
• 70
• 100
• 108
• 138
• 250
• 300
• 600
• 650
• 781
• 798
• 800
• 851
• 900
• 953
• 968
• 977
• 1,000
• 5,910
• 5,920
• 6,500
• 6,555
• 7,000
• 7,187
• 7,459
• 7,580
• 7,610
• 7,799
• 8,000
• 8,011
• 8,020
• 8,102
• 8,111
• 9,080
• 9,411
• 9,088
• 9,157
• 9,891
• 9,691
• 9,521
• 9,087
• 9,100
• 9,103
• 9,108
• 9,112
• 9,148
• 9,192
• 9,200
• 9,208
• 9,209
• 9,218
• 9,307
• 9,399
• 9,406
• 9,427
• 9,446
• 9,456
• 9,413
• 9,455
• 9,458
• 9,501
• 9,547
• 9,610
• 50,693,501
• 51,555,608
• 52,417,715
• 53,279,822
• 54,141,929
• 55,004,036
• 55,421,015
• 55,866,143
• 56,728,250
• 59,314,578

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A Tale of Two Cities original serialisation page scan courtesy of the Dickens Journal Online.

[nineko]

The description for Episode 12 interestingly notes that Vegeta isn't used to fighting underwater. Indeed, he has never been depicted doing so until now!

This is even more ironic if you consider the fact that Vegeta is the one who went underwater most times on planet Namek, at least in the anime:

1. at the end of the first fight against Zarbon;
2. to sneak away from Freeza's spaceship;
3. trying (without success) to recover a dragon ball he hid beforehand;
4. during the fight against Recoome;
5. during the fight against Freeza.

Since you seem to like to pile trivia on other trivia, here you go

[KBABZ]

The description for Episode 12 interestingly notes that Vegeta isn't used to fighting underwater. Indeed, he has never been depicted doing so until now!

This is even more ironic if you consider the fact that Vegeta is the one who went underwater most times on planet Namek, at least in the anime:

1. at the end of the first fight against Zarbon;
2. to sneak away from Freeza's spaceship;
3. trying (without success) to recover a dragon ball he hid beforehand;
4. during the fight against Recoome;
5. during the fight against Freeza.

Since you seem to like to pile trivia on other trivia, here you go

Ooooh that's pretty good!

[KBABZ]

...so it turns out Daima IS taking a break this week! Oops.