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[BernardoCairo]

I always saw the Boo arc as a story where no single person could defeat Majin Boo alone. Not Gotenks with the new fusion technique, not Gohan after undergoing a mystical ritual performed by a god, not even Vegetto. Boo would always return. What was needed to finally defeat him was the energy of the people Goku met, befriended, and whom he saved throughout his journey, in addition to the Dragon Balls. He depended on these people, not the other way around. That's why I find the ending so satisfying, even though the arc has this weaker part in the middle.

I think part of the reason people find this annoying is because it's also longer in the anime. In the manga, the pacing is much better, so you don't get stuck on that part of the story for so long (although the problem already existed). Everything flows better.

[ZeroNeonix]

Well, Goku claims that he could have killed Buu as Super Saiyan 3, but he chose not to because he wanted the kids to do it. Later, Vegito could have absolutely destroyed Buu, but again, they chose not to. Goku also floats the idea of wishing Gohan back to beat Kid Buu. And given that Kid Buu is DEFINITELY WEAKER than Super Buu, Gohan would have obliterated Kid Buu. But they decided not to do that, because Vegeta thought the Earthlings should be made to save themselves. So, that's three times they could have destroyed Buu, but just decided not to, because they thought a more convoluted solution would be better. lol

[The Dark Knight]

Well, Goku claims that he could have killed Buu as Super Saiyan 3, but he chose not to because he wanted the kids to do it. Later, Vegito could have absolutely destroyed Buu, but again, they chose not to. Goku also floats the idea of wishing Gohan back to beat Kid Buu. And given that Kid Buu is DEFINITELY WEAKER than Super Buu, Gohan would have obliterated Kid Buu. But they decided not to do that, because Vegeta thought the Earthlings should be made to save themselves. So, that's three times they could have destroyed Buu, but just decided not to, because they thought a more convoluted solution would be better. lol

Goku's reasoning was understandable, as Fat Buu up to that point would have been far inferior to Gotenks; Goku had no idea he'd split up then get reverse absorbed. As for Vegeta, he also makes sense when you consider how much Gohan messed up the first time; would you risk your only wish to bring back someone who proved incapable of finishing the job the first time around ? The spirit bomb would be harder to pull off, but betting on Goku, even on something riskier, is safer than better on Gohan.

[dbgtFO]

Powerscaling is not as bad as it's made it out to be.
In Dragon Ball in particular it granted us an insight into the different writing philosophies between Toriyama and Toei writers.
In Toriyama's case being a more measured approach to power ups and more justifications, whereas Toei writers seemed to just go for insane spectacle and fanservice claiming characters are X strong just because.
From their side it seems to be marketing and fanservice come before the story, whereas Toriyama tend to justify things a bit more before the inevitable hype moments and fanservice.

[QuakingStar]

It's quite a ride. Very chaotic. It's a constant cycle of coming up with solutions, watching them fail, and coming up with more solutions, until something finally works. I appreciate it for what it is, but it does feel kind of directionless sometimes.

Here's a more positive way to look at how things played out with Buu: He was the final villain of the story, wouldn't it have been disappointing if he went down easily ? The chaotic nature may look directionless at first glance, but it actually makes sense for the final villain of the story to be the hardest to get rid of. During an interview with Toriyama for the 30th anniversary book, he said that one of the reasons he ended the manga when he did was because he couldn't think of a way to introduce a stronger villain, and when you look at how hard it was to take Buu down, he makes a good point. It took everyone and the kitchen sink to bring him down, and despite countless villains showing up after, be it in GT, Super, and Daima, none of them were anywhere near as hard to defeat as Buu was.

Because of Pure Buu's ability to regen from smoke and dust due to his magic nature and his seemingly unlimited stamina, only the spirit bomb or hakai could get rid of him. He's casually a SS3 Buu Saga level enemy and a bit higher when going all out. So it makes sense that at the time no other enemy in canon could be a match in terms of being nearly unkillable.

[JulieYBM]

Random thought: God, can you imagine how cool a fight scene would be with Gokuu wearing a suit and he channeled ki into his tie to use it to wrap around his and his enemy's arms like handcuffs for a close combat fight?

[super michael]

Random thought: God, can you imagine how cool a fight scene would be with Gokuu wearing a suit and he channeled ki into his tie to use it to wrap around his and his enemy's arms like handcuffs for a close combat fight?

That sound like a cool idea, channeling ki into their clothes to use it as a weapon. Any part of their clothes being used as a weapon would make the fight unpredictable.

[jjgp1112]

It's quite a ride. Very chaotic. It's a constant cycle of coming up with solutions, watching them fail, and coming up with more solutions, until something finally works. I appreciate it for what it is, but it does feel kind of directionless sometimes.

Here's a more positive way to look at how things played out with Buu: He was the final villain of the story, wouldn't it have been disappointing if he went down easily ? The chaotic nature may look directionless at first glance, but it actually makes sense for the final villain of the story to be the hardest to get rid of. During an interview with Toriyama for the 30th anniversary book, he said that one of the reasons he ended the manga when he did was because he couldn't think of a way to introduce a stronger villain, and when you look at how hard it was to take Buu down, he makes a good point. It took everyone and the kitchen sink to bring him down, and despite countless villains showing up after, be it in GT, Super, and Daima, none of them were anywhere near as hard to defeat as Buu was.

The problem is it became meandering and repetitive; he pretty much completely failed Gohan, Goten and Trunks narratively after setting them up for most of the arc so everything feels unsatisfactory and somewhat pointless.

[Yellow Flower King]

Ursula Bezerra is sick. Not only did she go through cancer treatment (And beat it! But lost all her hair) but also has a new illness.

She's Kid Goku and Naruto in the Brazilian dubs.

https://www.omelete.com.br/dragon-ball/ ... tratamento

[TheRed259]

Ursula Bezerra is sick. Not only did she go through cancer treatment (And beat it! But lost all her hair) but also has a new illness.

She's Kid Goku and Naruto in the Brazilian dubs.

https://www.omelete.com.br/dragon-ball/ ... tratamento

Let's hope she gets over this as well.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Ursula Bezerra is sick. Not only did she go through cancer treatment (And beat it! But lost all her hair) but also has a new illness.

She's Kid Goku and Naruto in the Brazilian dubs.

https://www.omelete.com.br/dragon-ball/ ... tratamento

Wishing her a speedy recovery.

[BernardoCairo]

Ursula Bezerra is sick. Not only did she go through cancer treatment (And beat it! But lost all her hair) but also has a new illness.

She's Kid Goku and Naruto in the Brazilian dubs.

https://www.omelete.com.br/dragon-ball/ ... tratamento

I thought she had gotten better... I love her voice as Goku. My best wishes to her.

[super michael]

Ursula Bezerra is sick. Not only did she go through cancer treatment (And beat it! But lost all her hair) but also has a new illness.

She's Kid Goku and Naruto in the Brazilian dubs.

https://www.omelete.com.br/dragon-ball/ ... tratamento

Lets hope that she gets better soon.

[The Dark Knight]

Why was ssj3 Vegeta and ssj3 Broly separate characters in Raging Blast ? it was such an odd decision, and we can't say it was an oversight, because they did it again in the second game. Was there some mandate from above that forms not in the anime couldn't be part of the regular character ?

[Yellow Flower King]

The UK is about to get SERIOUSLY censored. I cant see Crunchyroll surviving this new law. I hope Home media keeps anime alive.

[The Dark Knight]

The UK is about to get SERIOUSLY censored. I cant see Crunchyroll surviving this new law. I hope Home media keeps anime alive.

What law ?

[Yellow Flower King]

https://news.sky.com/story/streaming-se ... k-13511559

Absolutely unprecendented censorship.

EDIT:

The UK cracks down even more... adding more regulation to household streaming services.

• R18 content will be restricted by age.
• Content that cannot be classified will be removed.
• Individuals under 18 will be blocked from accessing restricted material.
• Age verification is required to view mature content.

[The Dark Knight]

https://news.sky.com/story/streaming-se ... k-13511559

Absolutely unprecendented censorship.

Western countries are becoming more censored by the day. At this point I expect non-democratic countries to have more freedoms than countries like the US and UK. As for Crunchyroll, they'll either have to work around this like everyone else, or better yet, just leave the UK market. This law would get revoked immediately if all the streaming services left the UK.

[Yellow Flower King]

https://news.sky.com/story/streaming-se ... k-13511559

Absolutely unprecendented censorship.

Western countries are becoming more censored by the day. At this point I expect non-democratic countries to have more freedoms than countries like the US and UK. As for Crunchyroll, they'll either have to work around this like everyone else, or better yet, just leave the UK market. This law would get revoked immediately if all the streaming services left the UK.

Oh God, please make this happen God.

[jjgp1112]

Kai's pacing and editing during the Saiyan saga was so awful. It was like their sole focus was cramming as much footage into one episode as possible. Stuff like Goku's Kaio-Ken comeback against Vegeta is just absolutely butchered and missing all the weight it originally had.