Dragon Ball World

[goodguy777]

Yakon's planet has no energy.

Yakan lived on his planet. Living requires energy. Yakan's planet has energy, sun or no sun, light or no light.
Light energy is not the only kind of energy. In fact, light from the sun comes from nuclear fusion,which is started because of several other kinds of energy--gravity, for one. (If I get into the physics of nuclear fusion I'd probably say something stupid...).
Even if there is no light, there is a planet. Meaning there is matter that is held together gravitationally. Hence, energy. And Yakan lived ther. Hence, enough energy to sustain life at least temporarily.
Maybe a small amount of energy since there is no sunlight, but there decidedly *is* energy there. This question is pretty well undebatable, and yet...

Earth without a sun:

In short DARK! Along with light comes heat. So very cold as well. Most
of the activity and life on earth are due to the energy from the Sun.
Without light, photosynthesis will not take place. Most plants cannot
grow. Every other living thing would be without food. Almost nothing
would survive if light were removed.

No Sun would mean not heat or any other radiated energy sufficient to
creat the movement of air and water as we know it. The Earth would be
frozen and likely not to have an atmosphere.

Without the Sun, the Earth would have not gravitational pull to a central
star... so would be in a totally different motion and relationship to the
rest of the universe.

Life on Earth without the sun would not exist.

Then, how did Yakon survive in his own planet since he only eats light?

The only one pulling arguments out of nowhere is you. YOU'RE the one who brought the moon into this first, if you recall with your little excerpt from Toriyama's corner. So I didn't pull it out of nowhere, it was a counter-point. I never stated aircraft and machine gun bullets in DB were slower than normal. What is it that you're trying to prove anyway? I don't see what the point of going back and forth like this is. Debates are fine but at this point it just seems like you're being difficult.

I brought the moon argument to prove that Toriyama uses physics. What is it that you're trying to prove anyway by saying "if you recall, the moon was destroyed TWICE in Dragon Ball with no crazy side effects to the Earth at all."

Is it a counter-point to prove that Toriyama didn't use physics?

[Xyex]

Just popping in to straighten out a few things.

1) Tidal forces are physics.

2) The distance between the Earth and the moon is not Physics.

[SonEric84]

The only one pulling arguments out of nowhere is you. YOU'RE the one who brought the moon into this first, if you recall with your little excerpt from Toriyama's corner. So I didn't pull it out of nowhere, it was a counter-point. I never stated aircraft and machine gun bullets in DB were slower than normal. What is it that you're trying to prove anyway? I don't see what the point of going back and forth like this is. Debates are fine but at this point it just seems like you're being difficult.

I brought the moon argument to prove that Toriyama uses physics. What is it that you're trying to prove anyway by saying "if you recall, the moon was destroyed TWICE in Dragon Ball with no crazy side effects to the Earth at all."

Is it a counter-point to prove that Toriyama didn't use physics?

Honestly, I just think this whole discussion is pointless....Dragon Ball is a fictional story, Toriyama's imagination is the one and only explanation for all of this.

[Jerseymilk]

I personally say everyone ignore whatever goodguy777 says from this point on. He's an arrogant and delusional liar proven by the fact that he claims to be a bank manager *and* engineering student all at the young age of 23! It's like "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" story. Ignore whatever he says and eventually the wolf will come along and eat him.

[Toriyama Boss]

I personally say everyone ignore whatever goodguy777 says from this point on. He's an arrogant and delusional liar proven by the fact that he claims to be a bank manager *and* engineering student all at the young age of 23! It's like "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" story. Ignore whatever he says and eventually the wolf will come along and eat him.

This is kind of harsh don't you think. Accusing him of something that you have no proof of him doing.

[Jerseymilk]

I personally say everyone ignore whatever goodguy777 says from this point on. He's an arrogant and delusional liar proven by the fact that he claims to be a bank manager *and* engineering student all at the young age of 23! It's like "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" story. Ignore whatever he says and eventually the wolf will come along and eat him.

This is kind of harsh don't you think. Accusing him of something that you have no proof of him doing.

It's called, "making light of a situation". Basically, I'm summing up how ridiculous this thread has become and he's pretty much the main instigator for keeping this nonsense going. He even went so far as to make an entirely new thread under the guise of posting Toriyama interviews *just* so he could further argue his cause from this one.

I think there's something in the air today that's making people continually miss the point of my posts. >>

[Toriyama Boss]

I understood what you were doing with the thread but bringing his occupation up and calling him a liar isn't cool.

Hey if he's making all these threads let him, thats what this internet thing is for.

PEACE!

[SSj_Rambo]

I personally say everyone ignore whatever goodguy777 says from this point on. He's an arrogant and delusional liar proven by the fact that he claims to be a bank manager *and* engineering student all at the young age of 23! It's like "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" story. Ignore whatever he says and eventually the wolf will come along and eat him.

This is kind of harsh don't you think. Accusing him of something that you have no proof of him doing.

I agree that it is a little harsh, but he does need to make some changes to what he's saying. He keeps pointing out things that are over-anaylized, unsubstantial and kind of pointless. Of course this is a Dragonball forum and he does have a right to express and say whatever he thinks/feels, but he's doing it in such a hard to work with manner that it is very frustrating.

My suggestion to you goodguy777 is that you should take the time to type up all of your physics equations and theories about the Dragonworld and put them into one big manifesto and just put it out there for everyone to read and then leave it at that. Yes people will disagree with parts of it and some people will not understand it but that's what is always going to happen no matter what. All you can do is come up with your own theories and not care what other people think about them. Yes people will bash it and call it false and point out inaccuracies but all you need to do is not respond to them. Let people have their own opinions of your work and let yourself respect their opinions, you don't always have to defend yourself, just create your own theories and respect other people opinions, even if they don't respect yours.

[goodguy777]

Just popping in to straighten out a few things.

1) Tidal forces are physics.

2) The distance between the Earth and the moon is not Physics.

Really? Then, convert 1,000,000 kilometers per 2 days-to-meters per second. To make it clear, "distance" is used or part of thermodynamics, engineering mechanics, strength of materials, ac/dc circuit, electrical machines, electrical design and fluid mechanics. Also, the subjects that I mentioned were branches of physics. Most important of all, distance between the moon and the earth is astronomy, another branch of physics.

Distance is a numerical description of how far apart objects are. In PHYSICS or everyday discussion, distance may refer to a physical length, a period of time, or an estimation based on other criteria (e.g. "two counties over"). In mathematics, distance must meet more rigorous criteria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance

Physics is nonsense without mathematics. In other words, you won't survive engineering without math.

About the absolute zero:

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_a ... 0301b.html

The only one pulling arguments out of nowhere is you. YOU'RE the one who brought the moon into this first, if you recall with your little excerpt from Toriyama's corner. So I didn't pull it out of nowhere, it was a counter-point. I never stated aircraft and machine gun bullets in DB were slower than normal. What is it that you're trying to prove anyway? I don't see what the point of going back and forth like this is. Debates are fine but at this point it just seems like you're being difficult.

I brought the moon argument to prove that Toriyama uses physics. What is it that you're trying to prove anyway by saying "if you recall, the moon was destroyed TWICE in Dragon Ball with no crazy side effects to the Earth at all."

Is it a counter-point to prove that Toriyama didn't use physics?

Honestly, I just think this whole discussion is pointless....Dragon Ball is a fictional story, Toriyama's imagination is the one and only explanation for all of this.

It's you who makes it pointless, where are your proofs that machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircrafts(in dragon ball) are slower than sound?

I personally say everyone ignore whatever goodguy777 says from this point on. He's an arrogant and delusional liar proven by the fact that he claims to be a bank manager *and* engineering student all at the young age of 23! It's like "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" story. Ignore whatever he says and eventually the wolf will come along and eat him.

Are you paying attention? I asked you before if it's prohibited to hide my true identity, LOGIC PLEASE. Anyway, since when did I claim in my POST that I'm a bank manager? Show me.

I personally say everyone ignore whatever goodguy777 says from this point on. He's an arrogant and delusional liar proven by the fact that he claims to be a bank manager *and* engineering student all at the young age of 23! It's like "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" story. Ignore whatever he says and eventually the wolf will come along and eat him.

This is kind of harsh don't you think. Accusing him of something that you have no proof of him doing.

I agree that it is a little harsh, but he does need to make some changes to what he's saying. He keeps pointing out things that are over-anaylized, unsubstantial and kind of pointless. Of course this is a Dragonball forum and he does have a right to express and say whatever he thinks/feels, but he's doing it in such a hard to work with manner that it is very frustrating.

My suggestion to you goodguy777 is that you should take the time to type up all of your physics equations and theories about the Dragonworld and put them into one big manifesto and just put it out there for everyone to read and then leave it at that. Yes people will disagree with parts of it and some people will not understand it but that's what is always going to happen no matter what. All you can do is come up with your own theories and not care what other people think about them. Yes people will bash it and call it false and point out inaccuracies but all you need to do is not respond to them. Let people have their own opinions of your work and let yourself respect their opinions, you don't always have to defend yourself, just create your own theories and respect other people opinions, even if they don't respect yours.

Actually, what I'm doing are just pointing out what things can do and conversions, it's not a scientific theories. Anyway, you got my respect by using math and physics unlike Xyex's(boastful-major in physics wanna be) very basic physics without math.

[Jerseymilk]

Are you paying attention? I asked you before if it's prohibited to hide my true identity, LOGIC PLEASE. Anyway, since when did I claim in my POST that I'm a bank manager? Show me.

I'm 23 years old from Manila, Philippines. I'm currently studying, taking up Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering, 4th year.

Now tell me if it's illegal and I will edit the information about my occupation and country. Sorry for that.

You may want to talk to your doctor about upping the dose of those psych meds you're on. Seems they're causing short-term memory-loss in you.

OR as I've been saying all along you're full of BS about being an engineering student. You're just mad because you've been caught in a lie.

And with that I'm done with you. Have fun in your little "INNANETZ LAND" of delusion. *waves*

[Kroni_Hunter]

Why hasn't this been locked yet?

[Xyex]

Really? Then, convert 1,000,000 kilometers per 2 days-to-meters per second. To make it clear, "distance" is used or part of thermodynamics, engineering mechanics, strength of materials, ac/dc circuit, electrical machines, electrical design and fluid mechanics. Also, the subjects that I mentioned were branches of physics. Most important of all, distance between the moon and the earth is astronomy, another branch of physics.

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There's no way you're in college if you fail to grasp the difference between is and used in. Distance is used in lots of things, but it is not them. Tidal forces are a result of physics. Distance is just distance.

[Kroni_Hunter]

Really? Then, convert 1,000,000 kilometers per 2 days-to-meters per second. To make it clear, "distance" is used or part of thermodynamics, engineering mechanics, strength of materials, ac/dc circuit, electrical machines, electrical design and fluid mechanics. Also, the subjects that I mentioned were branches of physics. Most important of all, distance between the moon and the earth is astronomy, another branch of physics.

......

There's no way you're in college if you fail to grasp the difference between is and used in. Distance is used in lots of things, but it is not them. Tidal forces are a result of physics. Distance is just distance.

This is extremely off topic, but Xyex is right that distance is not the same as physics, just something used in physics. Velocity, Mass, Gravity, and an array other things are also "used in" physics. This is actually a very stupid thing to argue about because all of these things are closely related but if you want to get down to semantics...
Tidal forces are not physics either, just the result of physics. Physics is a science which means it is a set of rules, the forces that follow these rules are not physics they are forces.

[goodguy777]

Are you paying attention? I asked you before if it's prohibited to hide my true identity, LOGIC PLEASE. Anyway, since when did I claim in my POST that I'm a bank manager? Show me.

I'm 23 years old from Manila, Philippines. I'm currently studying, taking up Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering, 4th year.

Now tell me if it's illegal and I will edit the information about my occupation and country. Sorry for that.

You may want to talk to your doctor about upping the dose of those psych meds you're on. Seems they're causing short-term memory-loss in you.

OR as I've been saying all along you're full of BS about being an engineering student. You're just mad because you've been caught in a lie.

And with that I'm done with you. Have fun in your little "INNANETZ LAND" of delusion. *waves*

Are you paying attention? How many times did I ask you about hiding my true identity? Sorry but for my privacy, I really need to hide my ID picture, signature, name and student number.



DAIZEX RULES

08 - 08 -08

Really? Then, convert 1,000,000 kilometers per 2 days-to-meters per second. To make it clear, "distance" is used or part of thermodynamics, engineering mechanics, strength of materials, ac/dc circuit, electrical machines, electrical design and fluid mechanics. Also, the subjects that I mentioned were branches of physics. Most important of all, distance between the moon and the earth is astronomy, another branch of physics.

......

There's no way you're in college if you fail to grasp the difference between is and used in. Distance is used in lots of things, but it is not them. Tidal forces are a result of physics. Distance is just distance.

I'm not alone, typing error in message boards, that's why I joined this forum to improve my typing awareness skill. I always commit mistakes even in my own language when the topic is typing. Most important of all, Math and Physics is my major not language, history, and computer programming. In my course, all I have to do is understand the principles or theories of science and memorize or derive the formula to apply it, slight mistake on grammar has nothing to do with my major subjects. I will appreciate any errors you will find on my post, thank you.

Sorry but for my privacy, I really need to hide my ID picture, signature, name and student number.



DAIZEX RULES

08 - 08 -08

Again, I challenge you to convert 1000000 km per 2 days-to-meter per sec, yard per sec, foot per sec, kilometer per hour and all the acceleration or speed rate you can find.

If distance is just distance, velocity will not exist. Velocity is physics or science. Anyway, my point is "distance between the earth and the moon is astronomy(area of science)". Toriyama used astronomy.

In physics, velocity is defined as the rate of change of position. The formula for velocity is distance/time.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Formula_for_velocity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed

Again, if distance is just distance, velocity will not exist. Velocity is physics or science.

Really? Then, convert 1,000,000 kilometers per 2 days-to-meters per second. To make it clear, "distance" is used or part of thermodynamics, engineering mechanics, strength of materials, ac/dc circuit, electrical machines, electrical design and fluid mechanics. Also, the subjects that I mentioned were branches of physics. Most important of all, distance between the moon and the earth is astronomy, another branch of physics.

......

There's no way you're in college if you fail to grasp the difference between is and used in. Distance is used in lots of things, but it is not them. Tidal forces are a result of physics. Distance is just distance.

This is extremely off topic, but Xyex is right that distance is not the same as physics, just something used in physics. Velocity, Mass, Gravity, and an array other things are also "used in" physics. This is actually a very stupid thing to argue about because all of these things are closely related but if you want to get down to semantics...
Tidal forces are not physics either, just the result of physics. Physics is a science which means it is a set of rules, the forces that follow these rules are not physics they are forces.

Thank you but velocity will not exist without distance. The formula for velocity is distance/time.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Formula_for_velocity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed

[SonEric84]

This is making my head hurt.

[Pain]

Yeah, this is the Daizenshuu EX forum, not the Bourne Identity. Can't we all just stop this non-DBZ related asshole fest?


EDIT:


And how are you guys gonna deny this person of their own identity? Do you know goodguy777 personally? I don't think so. It's weird how almost everyone on the lovely internet thinks that everyone is just some fat crazy slob playing RPG's with little 12 year olds in their mothers basements, downloading hentai and working at Borders, or just some nobody with no life.

[Cypher]

I think it's just that everyone is so fed up of this guy's meaningless posting that they are willing to try anything to get him to can it...whether he's a student or not doesn't matter a damn (although who can say whether that's even his ID card, to play devil's advocate? Who cares...)

[Hujio]

I don't know why I'm replying to this, but I was curious about this thread... and wow! Over the years I've learned that convincing certain people about the difference between fact and fiction can sometimes be very difficult. I'm going to say this and I don't care if anyone gets offended...
Akira Toriyama was a lazy-chain smoking mangaka!
*I always wanted to make something really bold like other people do.

If you think that he sat down with a physics book to design the perfect Dragon World, you're sadly mistaken. Toriyama hated using any reference books, even when drawing the manga. Just because Toriyama made an arbitrary comment about the distance from the Earth to the moon, doesn't mean he calculated the velocity at which Goku actually traveled to the moon! You are comparing apples to oranges. This is a fictional story, with fictional characters, created by a lazy man.

I'm going to take your "word" that you're a physics major, and just say, shame on you! You should know that velocity isn't physics, physics is physics. Velocity is just a tool within physics that is used to explain certain events in reference to distance and time. Anyone on this forum can go look up the distance from the Earth to the moon and quote it, but does that mean they just used science? No, they just looked up a number. The person that first calculated the distance probably used physics to find it though.

You're right, velocity would not exist without distance. There is no debate there. For that matter, velocity would not exist without time either, which is just a human concept anyway. But the point is, Toriyama never thought about any of this. You're trying to apply a real world concept (physics) to a fictional world based on Toriyama's concept of the real world. For all we know, his world's physics could be completely different from our own. And in the long run, who the hell cares... it is a fictional story!

Now that I wrote all this... Mike, can you please come lock this thread?

[Terra-jin]

Aren't goodguy777, Toriyama Boss and Phenomenol the same poster? I mean, they have almost the exact same way of typing, ignoring comments and being aggressively condescending ("Are you paying attention?"). They even backed "each other" up earlier in this thread.

[Herms]

Toriyama Boss and Phenomenol are the same poster, as Mike established awhile back. I don't know about this guy, though. Toriyama Boss only showed up after Phenomenol was banned, so him having two accounts at the same time would be something new.