Woohoo! More News About The New Dragonball Special!

johnboy1 · Post by **johnboy1** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:22 am

I like the sound of the special, but I was REALLY hoping it could fit in with the canon. Then the whole thing about people remembering Boo came up. I mean FUCK, man. I was about to argue that the wish to make people forget about Boo hasn't been made yet, but then it says that Mr. Boo is sitting right there (apparently without everyone panicking), so that doesn't hold, either. Damn it.

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:25 am

It might be that they just don't remember who Buu is or what he looked like...

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:26 am

Buu himself doesn't appear in the special, right? You could easily chalk it up to that the wish just hasn't been made yet. 2 years is a bit of a long time, but perhaps something else came up that they had to use the DragonBalls for.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:32 am

I think the "Chaozu"s should be replaced by "Yamcha"s, in that translated summary?

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:One, but that's beside the point.

Er... No, it's not? ^^;
You can't quite blame them for being inconsistent when you've only seen one spelling from them...

I was trying to show that, basically, the creators don't care about how the characters' names are spelled in English.

They're actually pretty consistent, considering they have little reason to care about that, from their perspective. Heck, they might even be more consistent than their US counterparts... ^^;

And it's not only the fact that they're inconsistent; they can be downright ridiculous.

Er... Could you define "ridiculous"? 'Cause these names are silly puns to begin with, sooo...? ^^;;

Gokou, Kylilin, Ghourd, Begeta, Radiz, Yajirove, Lunchi, etc.

"Gokou" is weird, indeed (then again, it's not like we really need them to tell how his name should be spelled in alphabet: it's a Japanese name, and we have a few transliteration systems for that).

The only problem with "Klilyn" would be that Toriyama spelled the name differently in his manga. Other than that, it's a perfectly viable option, and it's used very consistently by Tôei.

I don't see any problem with "Ghourd," and I believe I've never seen the name spelled otherwise on Japanese material. If you think that's too removed from the original pun, I'd have to wonder why you didn't include "Bulma" in that list as well.

"Begeta" is quite uncommon. Most of the time (as in "95%+") They use "Vegeta." I'd say that's consistent enough.

I don't believe I've ever seen a "Radiz." I've seen lots of "Raditz" and one "Laditwo."

Yeah, considering the character appears to be "Japanese," "Yajirobe" / "Yajirobee" / "Yajirobê" would make more sense. Most of the time, the name is spelled with a "B," I believe.

It might be a close-call between "Lunchi" and "Lunch," frequency-wise. 'Don't know about that one.

It reminds me of the fifth chapter of Hellsing, where the character "Alexander Anderson" was called "Arexandraue Andersong" on a newspaper. That just shows that the author, like many Japanese authors, didn't research English names.

Not sure how that's relevant here, as Dragon Ball names aren't real English names (not to mention the fact you're making generalities based on the fact that author is Japanese as well).
In the case of Dragon Ball, if they decide that it's "Ghourd," who are you to tell them that they're wrong and that his name should be spelled exactly like the English word it's based on?

speaking of "Lunchi," Toriyama spelled her name "Lunch" on one of the early title pages.

Interesting, I guess I missed that one. Do you remember when that was?

SSj Kaboom wrote:Buu himself doesn't appear in the special, right?

I believe he does, but stays with Kaiô & co.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:29 pm

Aw man, the summary makes it sound so great!

(Goku tricking Vegeta = priceless )

I can't wait to see this. X3

jaywonder · Post by **jaywonder** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:05 pm

This is something that I've wanted to see. Maybe this could be the start of more specials

mrkaizoku · Post by **mrkaizoku** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:28 pm

Chuquita wrote:Are you in Japan?

If you've seen the special, could you please tell me what color Goku's fancy suit was?

No I'm not in Japan. I was just reading through the comments on the 2chan page that kei17 posted.

I'm definitely with the group that can't wait to see this. I'm a sucker for Toriyama comedy.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:17 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:I think the "Chaozu"s should be replaced by "Yamcha"s, in that translated summary?

Ah crap, that's right. I guess the fact that it was spelled in kanji threw me off, and I didn't look too closely. It's fixed now.

MagicBox wrote:
Goku teleports Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, Chaozu, Kuririn, Kame-sennin, Videl, Chi Chi, Bulma, Table, and Grey to Mount Paozu (meanwhile Satan, Fat Buu, Kibito-Shin, and Elder Kaioshin ignore Table and just go on drinking).
Wait, where's Gohan?

The hell?

He was actually first in that list of people, but I overlooked him. I've fixed it now, though.

Undercooked Sausage · Post by **Undercooked Sausage** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:07 pm

If i ever meet any american who refers to kuririn/kururin/krillin/etc as klilyn i'm punching them square in the mouth.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:22 pm

Undercooked Sausage wrote:If i ever meet any american who refers to kuririn/kururin/krillin/etc as klilyn i'm punching them square in the mouth.

I love klilyn.

(I'm not American).

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:41 pm

What's wrong with everyone knowing Hercule beat Buu? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember the wishing being to make everyone forgot Buu ever existed, but to replace the Fat Buu with Kid Buu in everyone's memories.

MagicBox · Post by **MagicBox** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:53 pm

I don't quite see the problem either. The wish was to erase Majin Boo from the public's memory, but there's nothing to disprove the argument that they ONLY erased the fat Boo from everybody's memories. The wish kinda takes on a whole new meaning when you put it that way.

It's kind of a stretch, but I think that's what I'll go with. Only the fat Boo was erased from memory.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:57 pm

When I read the summary I got the impression that everyone forgot about Boo, but then Satan (or Videl or someone who still remembered) said that Satan defeated Boo and that allowed everyone to remember enough to believe it ("Satan defeated Boo!" "Boo-who?" "Majin Boo!" "Oh, right, that pink guy? Sure, yeah, Satan's great - he saved us!").

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:03 pm

Xyex wrote:What's wrong with everyone knowing Mr. Satan beat Buu? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember the wishing being to make everyone forgot Buu ever existed, but to replace the Fat Buu with Kid Buu in everyone's memories.

I'm pretty sure the manga didn't say anything about that, sorry.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:11 pm

Xyex wrote:What's wrong with everyone knowing Mr. Satan beat Buu? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember the wishing being to make everyone forgot Buu ever existed, but to replace the Fat Buu with Kid Buu in everyone's memories.

The narration box at the beginning of the "Uub chapter" says "And so Hercule becomes the savior of humankind once again! Of course, six months later, the public's memories of Buu are erased... but still, people remember Hercule saved them from something... "

Krakabeast · Post by **Krakabeast** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:11 pm

Would of been more interesting if everyone was in some real danger, but only a special so I can't complain. Can't wait to see it.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:15 pm

My hang-ups: Tarble's age. Not much else. Tarble's age royally screws up (aha! accidental pun! XD) any chance of this being part of the continuity. I'm dumping this in NMZ 3's continuity, since Grey has a cameo in it and since both are nothing but stupid fun.

I can also see King Vegeta doing what he did to Tarble. He was even more heartless than Vegeta. Since Vegeta is the Crown Prince, I can easily imagine King Vegeta treating Tarble as "just another Saiyan baby," especially since Tarble ended up being a Low Level Saiyan. A Low Level Saiyan would be a great shame amongst the Royal Family, so since he's not even the Crown Prince, there's no reason to keep Tarble around.

The Boo discrepency works fine: the humans still know Boo (Super through Kid forms) ravaged Earth and that Satan, using telepathy, got everybody to help "him" save the day from Boo. Nobody saw these forms of Boo, so the wish removed their memory of Mr. Boo, not that Satan saved the day from a dangerous unseen monster named Boo.

As for Radditz's comments about the whereabouts of the surviving Saiyans, it can easily be argued that the Bardock special comfirmed what he said. Goku is seen getting sent to Earth, while Vegeta demands to conquer a planet by himself, and then we see him alone on one such planet at the end. Nappa was therefore the Saiyan that was with Radditz. All they have to do is explain why Nappa went to go see Radditz, which could easily be explained as one of the following:

-Radditz being behind schedule, so Nappa was sent to finish the job since Vegeta was alone.
-It's discovered that Radditz's planet actually deserved an Elite Saiyan, so Nappa was sent to save Radditz.
-Nappa wasn't an Elite Saiyan at the time of the Bardock special, so when Vegeta didn't need him, he was sent to help a fellow Low Level Saiyan.

In fact, it explains why Freeza didn't have Radditz killed off. He wanted Vegeta as his pet, and Vegeta knew of Nappa's whereabouts. If Nappa was killed off, Freeza would have to explain why to Vegeta. If Radditz was killed off, Nappa would tell Vegeta and Freeza would still have to explain why to Vegeta. Since Radditz and Nappa were so weak (and therefore not threats), it was just easier to let them live and serve Vegeta.

MagicBox · Post by **MagicBox** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:44 pm

Okay, so with the Boo thing solved, my only complaint is Goku's power.

I've no problems with the characters' strength throughout the Goten/Trunks/Avo/Cado/Gotenks/Aka fight, but it all gets confusing once Goku steps in. The summary doesn't specify whether or not Goku is a Super Saiyan or in his normal state, but since the poster didn't take the time to mention it, we can assume that no transformation occured.

How the hell does normal Goku beat an enemy that gave Super Saiyan Gotenks so much trouble? And with one punch even?

Sure, it can be argued that two years of training made Goku that much stronger than Gotenks, but it's still farfetched.

EDIT: And yes, I know the real reason is that the writers needed a way to get Goku into the action, but c'mon, they coulda done better than that.

kaioken12 · Post by **kaioken12** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:48 pm

Dayspring wrote: -Radditz being behind schedule, so Nappa was sent to finish the job since Vegeta was alone.
-It's discovered that Radditz's planet actually deserved an Elite Saiyan, so Nappa was sent to save Radditz.
-Nappa wasn't an Elite Saiyan at the time of the Bardock special, so when Vegeta didn't need him, he was sent to help a fellow Low Level Saiyan.

In fact, it explains why Freeza didn't have Radditz killed off. He wanted Vegeta as his pet, and Vegeta knew of Nappa's whereabouts. If Nappa was killed off, Freeza would have to explain why to Vegeta. If Radditz was killed off, Nappa would tell Vegeta and Freeza would still have to explain why to Vegeta. Since Radditz and Nappa were so weak (and therefore not threats), it was just easier to let them live and serve Vegeta.

I agree, but I think, Nappa was an elite Saiyan all along, the first two points could be right though (they make sense if nothing else).

As for killing the remaining Saiyans:
Apart from wanting to have Vegeta as his "pet", why should Freezer bother to kill a single space pot (with Goku) or some other Saiyans that were on a mission somewhere?
He was concerned about what MIGHT happen if a whole race of Saiyans gets stronger and stronger - the remaining handful didn't pose a threat to him, they were controllable.

About the special in general:
I think of it as a "fun special" based loosely on a concept that might have been used, if Toriyama actually had continued DB instead of finishing it with a 10 years time shift.
But this special is just for entertainment, so we shouldn't argue about plot holes in it or continuity.
Table's age for instance doesn't matter then - because if it was a real "sequel" to the manga, I am sure they would have put a little more thought in it, but it's more like a simple "birthday fun special", so we all shouldn't care too much about it ^^
Otherwise we would end up discussing every plot hole in it from the "Buu-wish" to Vegeta's clothing continuity.

It should be fun to watch and - despite the fact that I personally would have liked to see something like "SSJ3 Vegeta blasts the villains to hell"

- I think it will still be very enjoyable just to see "Goku and his friends return".

EDIT:
Goku's power: I think Goku was weaker than Gotenks SSJ, even after two years.
But this is exactly what I meant: It should just be considered fun ^^
In the end, the enemies in this special are nowhere near a point where they could be a serious threat to anyone like Goku/Vegeta/Piccolo/Gohan... - so Gotenks wouldn't have problems as well, but it is just the same old "Goku saves the day" plot

fogdark · Post by **fogdark** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:52 pm

Read the summary, and its was awesome. Some good laughs, a good fight, and .., its actually Goku bullying Vegeta? Love it

But the best part, the two Kaio-shins, the ones above all gods, decide to keep drinking ignoring the situation, hehe
Can't wait to see it, a great special to remember a great series