Live-Action Movie Off-Screen Japanese Trailer Capture

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:35 am

DesireCampbell wrote:Dark Knight sucks.

I guess the Dark Knight sucks then...

Post by **desirecampbell** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:59 am

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:As a huge Joker fan, who worried terribly about what they'd do to the Joker after what they had done to Ra's Al Ghul...I loved Dark Knight. It was amazing, the price of IMAX tickets was completely worth it.
What exactly is so bad about it? I can't think of a single thing that a fan of Batman couldn't like about the second film, since it got rid of my two complaints for the first movie.

The plot is non-nonsensical, the characterization of every character is uneven (some bits are only slightly out-of-character, while others are unrecognizable) and generally bad, and a special mention for Bale's "Batman voice".

I could go into specifics, but it would basically be "that scene, and the next scene, and the next one...". 'Dark Knight' is better than 'Begins', but that's not saying much.

Leger's Joker (and I want to make it clear I don't two shits about his death, 'Brokeback Mountain', or anything else) was fantastic. It is the only reason I was able to watch the whole movie (whereas, 'Batman Begins' gets twenty minutes at a time before I'm too disgusted to continue).

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I bring this up only because the same argument comes up for 'Dragon Ball: Evolution' over and over: "I like it." "Why?" "It had good X." And I hate having to go into why X wasn't done well. For example, Bale; I hear he's suave as Wayne and badass as Batman - he's not. He's awkward and dispassionate (he's probably trying for aloof, but he's not pulling it off) as Wayne and, shit, he was more badass in 'Newsies'.

And this is what I foresee happening for this Dragon Ball movie: people saying it was great for reasons that aren't true. I guarantee that in six months someone will say that Chatwin was a great Goku because he was carefree yet proud, and he stood up for his friends. And I also guarantee that Chatwin will actually be dull and emotionless (again, failing aloof) and show uncertainties about himself, and I doubt his 'friends' will enter into it at all.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:42 pm

Imagine if they made a Superman movie with Superman based directly on just the comics where Superman was a dick.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:44 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:Imagine if they made a Superman movie with Superman based directly on just the comics where Superman was a dick.

That would be unspeakably, unthinkably awesome.

But that does remind me of my idea to make a guide to all the times throughout the story where Goku is a complete dick.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:06 pm

desirecampbell wrote: The plot is non-nonsensical,

So that's a compliment?

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:08 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
Chrono Trigger wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:I don't know what got all of your knickers in a twist, but this trailer looked freakin' cool! Maybe you all just have standards that are impossibly high.
Well after "The Dark Knight" the bar for adaptions (and movies in general) has been raised quite a bit.
Dark Knight sucks.

If I had said that I would have been killed.

Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of TDK. It doesn't "suck," it's a good movie, but it's not a masterpiece.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:11 pm

JAPPO wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:
Chrono Trigger wrote: Well after "The Dark Knight" the bar for adaptions (and movies in general) has been raised quite a bit.
Dark Knight sucks.
If I had said that I would have been killed.

Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of TDK. It doesn't "suck," it's a good movie, but it's not a masterpiece.

Right. Just like how we killed you for saying that Ninja Turtles sucked.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:13 pm

Kendamu wrote:
JAPPO wrote:
desirecampbell wrote: Dark Knight sucks.
If I had said that I would have been killed.

Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of TDK. It doesn't "suck," it's a good movie, but it's not a masterpiece.
Right. Just like how we killed you for saying that Ninja Turtles sucked.

TDK is way different than that, you should know.... it's like a religion to people.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:19 pm

JAPPO wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
JAPPO wrote: If I had said that I would have been killed.

Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of TDK. It doesn't "suck," it's a good movie, but it's not a masterpiece.
Right. Just like how we killed you for saying that Ninja Turtles sucked.
TDK is way different than that, you should know.... it's like a religion to people.

The 1990 TMNT movie is like a religion to people, too. Just a much smaller religion. Seriously, when I see a bunch of TMNT fans talking about a new TMNT movie or something, the 1990 is the bar that will never be hurdled and, if you don't like that movie, you're going to TMNT Hell.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:16 pm

From what I've heard(I don't read the Batman comics), "The Dark Knight" is a horrible in terms of adaptation and being faithful to the storyline of the comics.

And man, Desirecampbell, I just realized how incredibly high your movie standards are(at least it seems like that).

And I don't mean that in a bad way. The people with high standards are always the best ones to ask when you want a quality film.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:38 pm

Big Momma wrote:From what I've heard(I don't read the Batman comics), "The Dark Knight" is a horrible in terms of adaptation and being faithful to the storyline of the comics.

I guess this is sort of what it boils down to though. I don't give a flying fuck about the comic's Batman or the original story lines but I love the movies. The movie Batman is Batman to me. I guess the very same thing will happen to Dragonball where people could care less about the anime and manga but absolutely love the movie(s). Chatwin will be Goku to them.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:42 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Big Momma wrote:From what I've heard(I don't read the Batman comics), "The Dark Knight" is a horrible in terms of adaptation and being faithful to the storyline of the comics.
I guess this is sort of what it boils down to though. I don't give a flying fuck about the comic's Batman or the original story lines but I love the movies. The movie Batman is Batman to me. I guess the very same thing will happen to Dragonball where people could care less about the anime and manga but absolutely love the movie(s). Chatwin will be Goku to them.

Frankly, the deviations seem cosmetic at most to me. And besides, with a comic book that has been running as many years as Batman has, the series has been re-imagined a few times already. At this point, it's more like there are core things that make Batman "Batman", and things that define the Joker. And these things...are present, and in full force, in the Dark Knight.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:09 pm

Big Momma wrote:From what I've heard(I don't read the Batman comics), "The Dark Knight" is a horrible in terms of adaptation and being faithful to the storyline of the comics.

And man, Desirecampbell, I just realized how incredibly high your movie standards are(at least it seems like that).

And I don't mean that in a bad way. The people with high standards are always the best ones to ask when you want a quality film.

With Batman, though, he's been around since '39 and has gone through countless interpretations. Plus, American comics have alternate universes and retcons about every five minutes... or at least when the entire DC or Marvel universe gets so complicated that they need to wipe the slate clean in order to not alienate new readers.

So, accepting the Dark Knight as a good movie comes from the fact that, at its core, it's still Batman. No matter how different it may look, at it's core everyone's still correctly characterized, some of the plot elements are lifted from the more popular Batman graphic novels (like "Year One" and "The Long Halloween"), and the story is done really well. Also, take into account that Batman's gone through so many changes that it's not too hard to swallow the ideas of the changes that take place in TDK.

Looking at Dragonball under the same lens, the overall storyline of "Goku, Bulma, Mutenroshi, and Yamcha are on a quest to find the Dragonballs before Piccolo Daimao gets ahold of them to use them for his evil ambitions," is absolutely fantastic.

Rolling Kami, Daimao, and Junior all into one character isn't my favorite approach, but it'll do because it does well for the whole "an evil sent to Earth that ends up saving it instead versus the ultimate power for good becoming corrupt and wanting to destroy Earth instead" thing. However, some of the characterizations seem completely off. To me, that really makes things sucktastic and that's why I'm not really amped to see this movie.

I don't mind story changes. Dragonball Movie 4 is one of my favorite Dragonball stories ever. If that movie were live-action, I'd go see it. If they took the same story and just make Daimao the villain instead for the live action movie, I'd definitely go see it.

DongHyun · Post by **DongHyun** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:28 pm

http://cafe386.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_read? ... datanum=55

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:36 pm

DongHyun wrote:http://cafe386.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_read? ... datanum=55

Those are really high-quality screenshots.

Does Yamcha have a tiny beard in this? http://pds110.cafe.daum.net/image/3/caf ... 0e33cae5c1
Because I can't tell if its the lighting or if that's facial hair.

It would be incredibly ironic for him to have facial hair when they made both Roshi and Gohan Sr. clean-shaven.

Ducard · Post by **Ducard** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:55 pm

http://pds110.cafe.daum.net/image/13/ca ... 0e53def6c2

Wait, that's not from the trailer. What film is this?

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:09 pm

Could be a demon that Piccolo makes?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:42 pm

Rôshi healing Son who might be in his all blue dôgi; Mutaito and Bulma with a injured Chi-Chi:

A (super) Fulum? Or maybe they can just use built-in lightsabers:

Ducard · Post by **Ducard** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:51 pm

I think that one shot may be from another film (though the mini lightsaber is kinda cool...)

Rôshi healing Son who might be in his all blue dôgi; Mutaito and Bulma with a injured Chi-Chi:

Yeah, that's the blue suit. This probably takes place after Mai's deception... maybe necessitating that Goku start wearing orange after he's injured.

TriforceCaptre · Post by **TriforceCaptre** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:57 pm

What interests me in that original video posted is what the people are saying. Are they commenting on the trailer? Do they like it? Do they hate it? It seemed to me that that guy seemed excited when "Piccolo" came on screen, but I don't know Japanese for jack so he could either be saying, "this looks terrible" or "that's friggin sweet!" *shrug*.

I don't mean to go off topic but I can't help but laugh at any "Dark Knight is a terrible adaptation to the comics" comments. We're talking about a DC character here, they can't even get their comic book stories straight. Read BatMan issue number one and then read "BatMan: The Man Who Laughs" (a retelling of the story from issue one). They can't even get their adaptations of their own stories correct (Where's Robin hmm?). Complaining about a movie being different is just silly and should be expected more than anything.

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