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Post by Kaboom » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:00 pm

If what Jappo's telling us is true, then...
desirecampbell wrote:'educated',
Not so much apparently, if he answers a very basic question in a stupid manner and doesn't know how phonebooks work. How he's even IN a high school is a mystery that probably should and will remain unexplained.
'unemotional',
He is emotional, though those emotions seem to stem more from his Saiyan side. He's frustrated and wants to pound the daylights out of the punk bullies, but he doesn't because...
'hesitant to act',
...Grandpa Gohan has raised him to be peaceful and use his strength responsibly.
'shows interest in females'
Chi-Chi's his friend, and for all we know he just wants company and is more interested in the strawberries than her.

Again, IF what Jappo is telling us is true (and based on his record, I'll believe him until he's proven wrong), then Goku's turning out to be, even amidst this "unfamiliar territory" for his type of character, a lot more "faithful" to his series counterpart then we first thought.
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Post by Chrono Trigger » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:00 pm

DesireCampbell wrote:Jesus Christ, seriously? You lose. The name of the movie is fucking "Dragon Ball". Explain how they aren't claiming it's Dragon Ball, when they call it "Dragon Ball".
Whoa! Why are you cursing me out!? Alright so maybe they DID claim it was Dragon Ball but I took it as "It's a different telling of Dragon Ball in some alternate universe." You're right they really ARE claiming its Dragon Ball. My bad.


Yes, things in LOTR were changed, but not so much that it failed to capture the spirit of the books. They changed only a few character traits (not even 'changed' really, Frodo's whiny but not that whiny) and unimportant plot points.
Yeah but it was still Peter Jackson's telling of the story just like this is James Wong's telling of the story. Whether or not it captures the "spirit" of Dragon Ball remains to be seen because nobody has seen the movie yet but you are RIGHT to assume that it won't.


It does? Really? Describe Goku's personality and see how often 'educated', 'unemotional', 'hesitant to act', or 'shows interest in females' comes up. Go ahead, try it.
Well to me they just aren't the same Goku and they never will be. Just like the Japanese Goku is different from the Dub Goku.

Desire, I don't know why you're coming at me so hard but I was not trying to make a big thing out of this. Basically I just wanted to know why you and some other people can't just look at this movie as an alternate universe or something like that. You believe that Dragon Ball can have different levels of canon so why can't this be apart of that? That's all I was pretty much asking even if I didn't word it right. I was not trying to say that people can't disagree or dislike the movie. :?
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Post by JAPPO » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:02 pm

Bura wrote:Uh, I have a question for Jappo. If that's still okay... o_O

In the trailer, we see "ChiChi" shoot a person. Is this Goku? If so, will the bullet do any damage?

Thanks.. xD
Yes it's ok :)

It isn't actually Chi-Chi. It's Mai. And it does damage to him but he lives.
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Post by omegacwa » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:03 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
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DesireCampbell wrote: 'Dragon Ball Evolution' is claiming to be Dragon Ball, and so far it doesn't seem like it will be anything like the Dragon Ball we know.
They never claimed it was Dragon Ball.
Jesus Christ, seriously? You lose. The name of the movie is fucking "Dragon Ball". Explain how they aren't claiming it's Dragon Ball, when they call it "Dragon Ball".

Chrono Trigger wrote: It's an adaptation. It's based on the story of Dragon Ball. It's not Dragon Ball as you know it but Dragon Ball as they're telling it. I'm not saying people can't disagree or have their own opinions. I'm just wondering why people can't understand that it's an adaptation and TRY to enjoy it for what it is instead of hating on it for what it's not. They're not trying to destroy the manga or the anime or Dragon Ball. They're just making a movie to make a quick buck (just like every other company) and that's it. The characters in the Lord of the Rings movies weren't exactly they way they were in the book but it was still Lord of the Rings.
Yes, things in LOTR were changed, but not so much that it failed to capture the spirit of the books. They changed only a few character traits (not even 'changed' really, Frodo's whiny but not that whiny) and unimportant plot points.
Chrono Trigger wrote:Yeah Goku likes Chi-Chi and he goes to High School but he still meets Bulma and they search for Dragon Balls. Sounds like Dragon Ball to me.
It does? Really? Describe Goku's personality and see how often 'educated', 'unemotional', 'hesitant to act', or 'shows interest in females' comes up. Go ahead, try it.
I hate to be the one to do it, but you are really coming off bad in this thread, just relax a bit.

And for the record, what movies do you like? Specific examples please, as I am sure many of us are interested.
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Post by Kaboom » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:04 pm

JAPPO wrote:And it does damage to him but he lives.
Reminds me of when General White managed to hurt Goku too, just from having a powerful enough gun.
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Post by Bura » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:46 pm

JAPPO wrote:
Bura wrote:Uh, I have a question for Jappo. If that's still okay... o_O

In the trailer, we see "ChiChi" shoot a person. Is this Goku? If so, will the bullet do any damage?

Thanks.. xD
Yes it's ok :)

It isn't actually Chi-Chi. It's Mai. And it does damage to him but he lives.
I figured, that's why I said "ChiChi". Thanks! :P

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Post by desirecampbell » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:06 pm

omegacwa wrote:I will agree that X-Men 1 and 3 weren't very good, and Superman Returns was bad. Batman Forever and Batman and Robin were horse shit, and Spiderman three had some problems. But to Say Spiderman 1 and 2, X-men 2, Batman(1, returns, begins, and the dark knight) Sucked is absolutely ludicrous as all of them pulled good reviews from critics and fans alike. They are all great movies, you sir have bad taste.
Spider-man (1,2,3)
Besides nearly every character changed, there's also a dirge of decent acting. Maguire in particular was a terrible choice.

X Men (1,2,3)
Nearly every character is re-imaged. At worst, the characters are unrecognizable. At best, they retain key traits that give them a passing familiarity, but more often than not all character history is rewritten (the whole Pheonix fiasco, Wolverine and Sabertooth don't know each other, Juggernaut's a mutant now and not Xavier's brother, Mystique seemingly not Nightcrawler's mother, half the cast are friggin' children, etc).

Superman (1,2,3,4,Returns)
The first Superman film has it faults (mainly with the inclusion of Luthor's sidekicks and the idiotic plot) but is heads and shoulders above the rest. The second film had some good ideas, but never came together (in all fairness, tough, the production was a disaster). Three and four were laughable.
Returns is confusing, boring, logically contradictory, and it's plot is ultimately pointless. It inexplicably picks up after the first film, has an even stupider plot than the initial movie (which is impressive, considering they're almost exactly the same).

Batman (1, Returns, Forever, and Robin, Begins, Dark Knight)
Burton's two films were pretty good. A few needless changes but all in all decent. The next two films tried to capture the camp and silliness (that the series inarguably has) but failed to be endearing.
The new Nolan films are fucking awful. The plots themselves aren't too bad (convoluted and with gaping holes, and they all hinge on someone being incredibly stupid, but not 'terrible') but the re-characterization of all the characters it unbelievable. Add into that some of the worst direction I've ever seen. And I've seen Ed Wood films.


And that is exactly what I think will happen to this Dragon Ball film. All the worst parts of all these 'adaptations' seem to be resent: convoluted and (possibly) confusing plot, needlessly changed characterization, bad acting, worse direction.
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Chrono Trigger wrote: They never claimed it was Dragon Ball.
Jesus Christ, seriously? You lose. The name of the movie is fucking "Dragon Ball". Explain how they aren't claiming it's Dragon Ball, when they call it "Dragon Ball".
I hate to be the one to do it, but you are really coming off bad in this thread, just relax a bit.
You're right. I apologize. I don't mean to be mean.
omegacwa wrote: And for the record, what movies do you like? Specific examples please, as I am sure many of us are interested.
Shit, lots of movies. Too many to give anything resembling a complete list, but how about 'comic book movies'?
Batman (1,2), Superman (1), Hellboy (1 and 2), Iron Man, 300, Sin City, Mystery Men, V for Vendetta, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1,2,3-haven't seen the new one).

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Post by JAPPO » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:16 pm

Ugh never mind.
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Post by Innagadadavida » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:19 pm

omegacwa wrote:I hate to be the one to do it, but you are really coming off bad in this thread, just relax a bit.
He comes off mean and negative in every thread I've seen him in.

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Post by Brad Redfield » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:24 pm

desirecampbell wrote:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1,2,3-haven't seen the new one).
You criticize other comic book movies for having poor direction and being horrible adaptations...but then you list these two as some of your favorites? Fans of the Mirage comics/first film would highly disagree with you on that, especially with 3. :P
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Post by JAPPO » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:24 pm

Well listen guys I gave way too much away, it was kind of stupid of me. I hope I don't get in trouble, but if I do it's my own fault. I hope you enjoyed it and sorry I can't tell you how the film ends or anything.
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Post by mrkaizoku » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:48 pm

I don't really see where desirecampbell was all that mean. Brutally honest, of course, but not mean.

And speaking of brutally honest:

What the hell is this?! They've managed to turn "Dragonball" into a shitty knock-off of "Spiderman" with bits from "The Lord of the Rings" thrown in for good measure?! WHAT?!

GRANDPA GOHAN:

Remember Goku with great power comes great responsiblity. Where's the rin... I mean the Dragonball? Is it secret? Is it safe?

WHAT?!

I knew what they were doing was bad, but I at least that they would go about it with a little originality. They copied Peter Parker from Spiderman and just called him Goku. Great job!

I don't know where all this "panel for panel" shit is coming from. All the negative people wanted was a faithful adaptation of the source material. We most certainly have every right to be upset. I understand that certain things will be left out/changed in an adaptation. At the same time I also understand that an adaptation requires you to keep at least some of what you are trying to adapt.

Well... I guess they did keep some of it. They kept the characters' names. That's something. Right? Right?

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Post by Kendamu » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:53 pm

JAPPO wrote:Well listen guys I gave way too much away, it was kind of stupid of me. I hope I don't get in trouble, but if I do it's my own fault. I hope you enjoyed it and sorry I can't tell you how the film ends or anything.
Even those of us who don't want to see the movie were curious enough to read it. Thanks for sharing.
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desirecampbell wrote:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1,2,3-haven't seen the new one).
You criticize other comic book movies for having poor direction and being horrible adaptations...but then you list these two as some of your favorites? Fans of the Mirage comics/first film would highly disagree with you on that, especially with 3. :P
As a fan of the Mirage comics (I still buy them to this day) and first film, I must say that I can take the second film almost halfway seriously (for a comedy) until Vanilla Ice shows up.

As for the third one, I'm trying to come up with a complete collection of the old Ninja Turtles show, the new releases of the new show (the half-seasons), and the movies. I refuse to put TMNT 3 in that collection.

As for the latest one, it was pretty decent for what it was. There's no longer any potential to take it in new directions, though, since Imagi is out of the picture, so it's just kind of a one-shot that I had fun watching. Definitely not as good as the first movie, though.

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Post by Pitzu » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:54 pm

desirecampbell wrote: X Men (1,2,3)
Nearly every character is re-imaged. At worst, the characters are unrecognizable. At best, they retain key traits that give them a passing familiarity, but more often than not all character history is rewritten (the whole Pheonix fiasco, Wolverine and Sabertooth don't know each other, Juggernaut's a mutant now and not Xavier's brother, Mystique seemingly not Nightcrawler's mother, half the cast are friggin' children, etc).
Uh

Wolvie had amnesia for like, his entire life.
He could barely remember what happened 50 years earlier.


As for Dragonball Evolution.

See that big E word at the end?
It's right there, ends with a N.

See, that says 'No, this isn't a direct adaption, we EVOLVED it, as in CHANGED it into a RETELLING OF WHAT GOKU WOULD BE IF HE WAS RAISED IN SOCIETY'

If you can't understand that, I'm sorry for you

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Post by Daburcor » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:55 pm

Wow... this stuff... wow. Are you kidding me? :shock:
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Post by Chrono Trigger » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:57 pm

Daburcor wrote:Wow... this stuff... wow. Are you kidding me?
You seem so surprised! :lol:
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Post by Innagadadavida » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:58 pm

mrkaizoku wrote:I don't really see where desirecampbell was all that mean. Brutally honest, of course, but not mean.
When he said "Jesus Christ, seriously? You lose."
That was insinuating that the person he was replying to is stupid. Which as everybody knows is a mean thing to do. He didn't outright say "you're stupid," but he replied with harsh questioning, as if to say "that was a stupid thing to say." Then told the person that they lose, which also insinuates that they are a loser.
mrkaizoku wrote:Thanks for one of the most thoroughly depressing threads of the new year!
Would you say that you think the thread is depressing because you don't agree with the optimism expressed by the board members?

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Post by Daburcor » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:01 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:
Daburcor wrote:Wow... this stuff... wow. Are you kidding me?
You seem so surprised! :lol:
I kind of am, actually. I knew it was bad, but I never imagined it'd be this bad.
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Post by Kendamu » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:03 pm

Pitzu wrote:As for Dragonball Evolution.

See that big E word at the end?
It's right there, ends with a N.

See, that says 'No, this isn't a direct adaption, we EVOLVED it, as in CHANGED it into a RETELLING OF WHAT GOKU WOULD BE IF HE WAS RAISED IN SOCIETY'

If you can't understand that, I'm sorry for you
Don't be so mean about it.

Everyone knows that "Evolution" was tacked onto the title later on, anyway. Had the movie come out in August like it was supposed to, it still would've been called "Dragonball" at that point.

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Post by Innagadadavida » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:06 pm

Kendamu wrote:Everyone knows that "Evolution" was tacked onto the title later on, anyway. Had the movie come out in August like it was supposed to, it still would've been called "Dragonball" at that point.
Maybe that's why they changed it. To separate the two entities. Makes sense to me.

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