Could a DBZGT character survive Absolute Zero?

[Hellspawn28]

Do you think anyone in the DB series that can survive absolute zero if they get frozen at absolute zero?

Some info on Absolute Zero from the wiki:

Absolute zero is the lowest possible temperature where nothing could be colder, and no heat energy remains in a substance. Absolute zero is the point at which molecules do not move (relative to the rest of the body) more than they are required to by a quantum mechanical effect called zero-point energy. It is a theoretical limit and cannot be achieved with the current technology available. By international agreement, absolute zero is defined as precisely 0 K on the Kelvin scale, which is a thermodynamic (absolute) temperature scale, and −273.15 on the Celsius (centigrade) scale. Absolute zero is also precisely equivalent to 0 °R on the Rankine scale (also a thermodynamic temperature scale), and −459.67 degrees on the Fahrenheit scale. Though it is not possible to cool any substance to 0 K,scientists have made great advancements in achieving temperatures close to absolute zero, where matter exhibits quantum effects such as superconductivity and superfluidity. In 2000 the Helsinki University of Technology has reported reaching temperatures of 100 pK (1×10−10K).

Sorry if this thread was done before.

[Rocketman]

No. At absolute zero, atoms stop moving. All those electrical impulses in the brain stop, in other words, THOUGHT stops.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

As long as it's convenient for the plot they could survive anything.

[Kaboom]

Probably only the "inexplicably survive anything" types like Majin Buu. Otherwise, no.

[Kendamu]

Freeza can survive in space... with open wounds!

I'm guessing that he could survive it no matter how unlikely it would be in real physics.

[TheNamek]

We don't know the structure of many of the villains such as Frieza, or the Saiyans, so possibly.

If Frieza and his family could survive the vacuum of space, who knows what else they could?

[Herms]

Questions like this are meaningless. DragonBall has no grounding in real-world science, so unless it's something covered in the series, you can't say. If Toriyama wanted them to survive, they would, and if not, they wouldn't. In a fictional, fantasy series, there's not much more to it than that.

Anyway, what is this obsession with figuring out what the Z Fighters could or couldn't survive? First knives in their sleep, now this. Is this a sign of some subconscious grudge against the characters?

[Kroni_Hunter]

Goku survives being frozen in the depths of hell.

[VegettoEX]

Anyway, what is this obsession with figuring out what the Z Fighters could or couldn't survive? First knives in their sleep, now this. Is this a sign of some subconscious grudge against the characters?

I truly don't get it, either, myself.

I'd love a breakdown of demographics for people who are interested in this kind of stuff. Male or female? Do you watch the original Japanese version or some dubbed production? How old are you? How long have you been into the series? What's your education level? Where do you live? How long have you posted on message boards, and DBZ boards in particular?

It seems like it's just so much more prevalent in the last year than ever before, and that's saying a lot.

[Hujio]

Goku survives being frozen in the depths of hell.

Being frozen and being at absolute zero are two different things. Besides, I'd have to agree with Herms (and now VegettoEX, I guess) on this one. I'm still curious why some of these threads are starting to pop up more, or maybe I've just been better at ignoring them in the past.

[rereboy]

No living thing can survive absolute zero.

A fighter would only be able to survive if he protected himself in a ki shield or something so that the temperature couldn`t get to him.

But, if it did get to him, he would be finished.

[Kendamu]

It seems like it's just so much more prevalent in the last year than ever before, and that's saying a lot.

From my experience on other DBZ message boards within the past decade, these kinds of topics happen as often as VS threads and "what was so-and-so's PL in the Buu Saga" kinds of threads. There are even threads trying to use the theory of relativity to explain why the "five minutes" on Namek seems so long when we watch the show. These kinds of threads just never seemed to occur so often here until people stopped being afraid of the "Daizex enthusiasts" or whatever we were called in some earlier thread.

[Bussani]

Anyway, what is this obsession with figuring out what the Z Fighters could or couldn't survive? First knives in their sleep, now this. Is this a sign of some subconscious grudge against the characters?

It seems like the opposite to me. People like to think that their favorite character can survive anything.

As Hujio pointed out, freezing (or the vacuum of space) aren't the same as absolute zero. I suppose it would be hard to do. It's theoretically impossible enough to reach absolute zero, let alone do it when these characters can put out enough energy to destroy a planet; but barring that, normal things (aka not Buu) shouldn't survive.

I guess you could always pull a Babidi and do it with magic.

I truly don't get it, either, myself.

Maybe it's for a fanfic, and they're trying to invent a technique or weapon that would give even our Earthling heroes trouble.

[caejones]

On topic: No. No. No. No. No. The only way the answer could be yes is if either the character in question is magical or otherworldly in some fashion, or if what is being called Absolute Zero isn't absolute zero. But really, if you have an absolute zero environment, the act of putting anything in it would make it not so absolute zero. Weah. -_-

I'm going to second (Ur, third? ... Fourth?) VegettoEX's interest in the demographics / areas of interest comparisons (/ contrasts? ). To be honest, there are times where certain topics / posts give a halfway developed impression of a possible description of the poster (whether valid or fair is a different matter entirely...).

[VenomSymbiote]

Okay... Seems it's time for me to say something.

First, I've never ever had a problem with these kinds of threads. I agree, it does seem that they are more prevalent these days, but in all honesty, any thread ever (Unless it's purely derogative) does nothing but add things. They may be just pointless Power Level threads, but it gives us something to talk about. And when is that a bad thing?

Personally, as far as these absract questions go, I like them. I like thinking about these really odd questions. I happen to find them rather interesting, and they always present intriging things to ponder about. As far as that goes, yes, I think anything "normal" (As in, not Buu) would probably be incapacitated by it.

And VegettoEX?

I'd love a breakdown of demographics for people who are interested in this kind of stuff. Male or female? Do you watch the original Japanese version or some dubbed production? How old are you? How long have you been into the series? What's your education level? Where do you live? How long have you posted on message boards, and DBZ boards in particular?

Male, dub, 16, Been into it since '96, High School (Going to college soon, woo!), U.S., and only about a year or so for both.

And yes, I find most of these topics entertaining. =D

[penguintruth]

No. At absolute zero, atoms stop moving. All those electrical impulses in the brain stop, in other words, THOUGHT stops.

Are you implying that Goku thinks?

[Hujio]

No. At absolute zero, atoms stop moving. All those electrical impulses in the brain stop, in other words, THOUGHT stops.

Are you implying that Goku thinks?

I'm guessing Rocketman was implying that the brains ability to perform autonomic functions, such as breathing and the beating of your heart, would no longer work because your brain can't think at such low temperatures. By the way, I love how this topic is discussing a theoretical number and its affects on fictional characters. Interesting, don't ya think? Maybe we'll have a scientific breakthrough!

[caejones]

Okay... Seems it's time for me to say something.

First, I've never ever had a problem with these kinds of threads. I agree, it does seem that they are more prevalent these days, but in all honesty, any thread ever (Unless it's purely derogative) does nothing but add things. They may be just pointless Power Level threads, but it gives us something to talk about. And when is that a bad thing?

Personally, as far as these absract questions go, I like them. I like thinking about these really odd questions. I happen to find them rather interesting, and they always present intriging things to ponder about. As far as that goes, yes, I think anything "normal" (As in, not Buu) would probably be incapacitated by it.

Oh, I find them interesting and at times fun. Usually. Sometimes they're kinda "*sigh*"-ish. This one in particular didn't get me all that excited simply because it sounds like absolute zero is being equated with "really really cold" as opposed to an utter and complete absence of kinetic energy. Kinda like "Do we really understand what this is that we're talking about?". Except, you know, I didn't want to sound like an ass and say it like that. ^^. (Well, that, and it was just an initial impression, and we all know how those tend to turn out.)

Ur, I suppose since I agreed with VegettoEX's inquirey (inquiry?) and also put myself in the sample group (XD), and since someone else... ur... answered, I might as well.

Male, U.S.A., started watching DBZ on Toonami in 1998, I think, but didn't really get into it until 99/2000 (I'm not sure specifically...). 21, in college, last two years of Highschool were at the state's Math and Science school (which got arts added to the name the first year I went because of some burocratic happenings). I was a physics major for a whole semester, at which point my utter incompotence caught up with me and I'm thus undeclared in my seventh semester. .

And since I've mensioned him a lot, my dad got into it around the same time (I think he was actually more interested than me for a while there). I think that puts him around 31 at the time. He was very into martial arts and such ... pretty much before I came along, and wound up not completing college (which may or may not have been my fault, I dunno. ^_^ ). He's been an electrician for I think 16 years now, and is decidedly into the more eastern cultural aspects of the series. Krillin's his favorite character, and he's a Buddhist (more philosophically/lifestyle-ly than religiously). Ur... and I think thanks to Naruto he's watched more anime online than I've ever dreamed of. ^_^

Message boards... I discovered what they were and how they worked in late 2002. I've mostly only stuck with two, those being daizex and Azuri's, the latter of which was initially a message board for a fanfiction website (Ur, until a few of us turned it into a wasteland of insanity that persists in some form to this day...). I've a forum for my own things as well, if that counts... it's effectively become a secret hideout in the past three or so years.
My dad... not so much on the message boarding. He did get an account at mine... I think just to send me a private message... and that's about it, so far as I know.

[teotihuacan]

Anyway, what is this obsession with figuring out what the Z Fighters could or couldn't survive? First knives in their sleep, now this. Is this a sign of some subconscious grudge against the characters?

I truly don't get it, either, myself.

I'd love a breakdown of demographics for people who are interested in this kind of stuff. Male or female? Do you watch the original Japanese version or some dubbed production? How old are you? How long have you been into the series? What's your education level? Where do you live? How long have you posted on message boards, and DBZ boards in particular?

It seems like it's just so much more prevalent in the last year than ever before, and that's saying a lot.

Do you have a problem with it? Do you feel that because you are older than then average Dragonball fan, and also a moderator of a prominent Dragonball forum, that you are above that sort of discussion. Not trying to sound like an ass.

I, for one, enjoy these sorts of discussions. I have always liked figuring out how characters from things such as Dragonball, or other far-fetched series, can exist in the real world, and how their powers or abilities can work in a real setting, no matter how fantastical.

And as for the demographics thing,

male, 20, High school, started watching the series when I found the first 3 Dragonball episodes on VHS on blockbuster, never saw anything else, got back into the series during the Cell saga on Toonami, now a sub fan

[Kendamu]

It might have more to do with a, "Why... does this even matter? How can we even possibly figure it out if it mattered in the first place," sort of mentality that I personally have as well. When I really don't understand this or that and can't figure it out through the story itself, I generally turn to guidebooks and Toriyama interviews instead of scientific equations that require us to try to fit Dragon World into our strict real world physics... which just create a bunch of plotholes considering that even into the Boo arc there were still gag characters like Gotenks flying around messing up the whole idea of what power is.

Just my thoughts, though.