FUNimation Dragon Box Z #1 (In-Hands) Discussion

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Post by Hujio » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:17 am

piccolo-san785 wrote:Regarding the extra features since we didn't get any. In the Japanese sets were the extras on their own separate dvd? or were they included in each dvd?
For the Z Dragon Boxes, they were on their own separate DVDs.

By the way, I've noticed you've been asking a lot of questions specifically about the Japanese Dragon Boxes, and I don't want to hinder the discussion, but you might want to give this a read. It'll answer all of your basic questions, and more, that you've asked so far.
SonGokuGT wrote:They had Special Features discs. I'm only going off the Z boxes, but I assume the others would follow the same uniform format...
For the DragonBall Dragon Box, they were on the last disc along with the last three episodes. On the Movies Dragon Box they were included on all the discs, corresponding to their specific movie. The Z and GT Dragon Boxes were the only ones to have completely separate discs for the special features alone.
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Post by G1Ravage » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:18 am

It's true that pictures don't do these sets justice. I just made it to the fourth episode, and the fight between Goku, Piccolo, and Raditz, and it looks just incredible in motion.

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Post by snaku » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:20 am

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snaku wrote:Christ, can we cut the Chicken Little crap? It hasn't even officially been released yet, and the sky is already falling? Chill dudes.
Huh?
In reference to the previous posters panicking about Funi canceling these sets if everyone doesn't buy multiple copies.

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Post by DemonRin » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:22 am

For anyone who is worried the DBoxes might be canceled, relax a little. At this point FUNi would have to be stupid to not release them.
They said in their press release that they have the DBox masters for All 291 Episodes (and the Movies supposedly, but I won't comment on that)
That means they already did all the paying to get the Masters. When FUNi makes deals like this, they buy episodes in Huge Blocks. For example, when they Picked up One Piece, their contract was for Episodes 1-206 and Movie 8. (Because Toei wanted to put out the newest Movie first)
That means if FUNi got the DBox Masters, and they specified in their press release that they were doing Episodes 1-291, then Eps 1-291 were what was purchased in the deal.

The Japanese Version is already done and produced, they obviously don't have to do anything to it, and The Dub Audio track is already done and produced for the Orange Bricks, they just have to carry it over and take the 5 minutes out to make the Track default to Cha-La Head Cha-La instead of that bad Guitar solo.
That means that ALL of the money they have to put out now is just the production costs of the boxes themselves. (Design and Production costs, which will be minimum as the design is pretty much "Copy the Japanese, stretch that design out to 7 boxes")

At this point, they HAVE to release all of them to make back the money they spent on the Masters in the first place, to Not release all of them would actually LOSE FUNimation money, even if the Boxes do poorly.

It's like Detective Conan (Case Closed). They got the rights, but TMS (the Japanese company who owns Conan) forced them to change things (EVERY CHARACTER Except Conan got their name Americanized, the Show's name got changed, etc) so The Show's sales were ABYSMAL, and it got canceled and production was shelved for the series. (NOT the Movies though)
However, even though the series was shelved, they continued to release DVDs. Why? Because they'd already put all that money into producing episodes, so they had SEVERAL Episodes already in the can, but weren't released. even if they would end up losing money overall, they HAD to put out everything they'd already worked on, because they needed to make SOME of their money back at least.

the tl:dr Version:

FUNi already paid for the masters, they would have had to do it all in one deal because their press release said they acquired all 291 Episodes. At this point, they don't have to put ANY money into dubbing, so they HAVE to release all 291 Episodes, even if they don't sell well to try to make back as much money at they can.

This is all assuming, however, that FUNi doesn't decide to do something stupid, but when it comes to Making money for themselves, they're usually very smart (even Mike said the remastered sets were a brilliant Idea from a Moneymaking standpoint)
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Post by Hujio » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:24 am

G1Ravage wrote:It's true that pictures don't do these sets justice. I just made it to the fourth episode, and the fight between Goku, Piccolo, and Raditz, and it looks just incredible in motion.
Welcome to the club. A lot of us have been saying that for years now. Screen shots, no matter how pretty they are, just don't do the Dragon Boxes justice. In motion, they make the other domestic releases look like... well shit, basically. Which isn't surprising considering the crappy digibeta masters FUNimation had to work with. What's the saying... shit in equals shit out, or something like that?
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Post by Vivisection » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:30 am

KillerCory wrote:Audio samples
Though I don't exactly have the best ear for these things, the FUNi Dragon Box sample sounds somewhat less tinny, not to mention clearer than the season sets' version.

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Post by Brad Redfield » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:32 am

KillerCory wrote:Though I don't exactly have the best ear for these things, the FUNi Dragon Box sample sounds somewhat less tinny, not to mention clearer than the season sets' version.
And less blown out.

Gah, its gonna be hard waiting two weeks for this. :lol:

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Post by Herms » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:36 am

snaku wrote:In reference to the previous posters panicking about Funi canceling these sets if everyone doesn't buy multiple copies.
People were voicing concern about that, but I don't think anyone was really panicking. All that stuff about buying multiple copies were just jokes.
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Post by DemonRin » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:38 am

Herms wrote:
snaku wrote:In reference to the previous posters panicking about Funi canceling these sets if everyone doesn't buy multiple copies.
People were voicing concern about that, but I don't think anyone was really panicking. All that stuff about buying multiple copies were just jokes.
And there isn't really any cause for concern anyway, see my above Post XP

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Post by penguintruth » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:45 am

I'm still pretty dazzled by Funimation's good sense to split the DBZ Dragon Boxes into seven sets, making them more affordable.

One of their best ideas since... ever.
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Post by Super Ghost Kamikaze » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:53 am

penguintruth wrote:I'm still pretty dazzled by Funimation's good sense to split the DBZ Dragon Boxes into seven sets, making them more affordable.

One of their best ideas since... ever.
I think it's an internal Funimation policy to make one good decision for every 100 or so bad ones.

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Post by DemonRin » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:54 am

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
penguintruth wrote:I'm still pretty dazzled by Funimation's good sense to split the DBZ Dragon Boxes into seven sets, making them more affordable.

One of their best ideas since... ever.
I think it's an internal Funimation policy to make one good decision for every 100 or so bad ones.
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Post by Hujio » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:00 am

DemonRin wrote:C'Mon! They Finally appear to have gotten everything that matters right this time, can we throw them a bone for once?
Yeah, I'll throw 'em a bone. They got one out of a hundred things right when it comes to how they've handled DragonBall. Props to them. :P
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Post by theoriginalbilis » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:20 am

Thanks for the audio samples!

I also think it'd be interested to hear some audio comparisons for the actual episodes, considering there was one done WAY back when the Season One set came out...

I remember the Season Sets had decent OP/ED audio quality, but the episodes themselves sounded somewhat low and muffled.
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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:55 am

HMV wants $100 flat for this one. That's a little much, especially when I'm considering buying the Transformers G1 Matrix Of Leadership collection for the same price. Amazon.ca price is better, but hardly awesome. I'll wait and see if Wal-Mart gets them and where they price them I guess.
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Post by G1Ravage » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:31 am

Heh...well...it's certainly not going to detract from the sets any, but FUNi did kinda screw something up. Something which reeks of typical FUNi laziness and/or oversight when it comes to DBZ.

After the last episode on a disc plays, you're treated to a black, silent screen as English credits scroll by. Necessary, I'm sure, to properly credit the people who worked on the dub, since there are no English credits with the episodes themselves.

The English credits were clearly ripped from the UUE's. They list every character's voice for Episodes 1 through 42 in one go, and credit Mark Menza for the opening and closing themes. :roll: Thanks, did you really have to remind us of what used to be? There's not a spec of dub music anywhere on these sets, THANK GOD, so why even mention his name?

After the dub credits, they have the "generic" Japanese credits, which is basically just Akira Toriyama, Shunsuke Kikuchi, and Daisuke Nishio. FUNi could've gone the extra mile and use this space to include an English translation of the Japanese credits on that disc, as other anime distributors often do when they leave the episode credits themselves in Japanese. But no. All we get is a copy and paste job. Not a big deal, since the dub, in FUNi's words, was an "afterthought", but after seven straight episodes of greatness, I had to be slammed back to reality that this was a FUNi DVD.

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Post by DemonRin » Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:06 am

G1Ravage wrote:All we get is a copy and paste job. Not a big deal, since the dub, in FUNi's words, was an "afterthought", but after seven straight episodes of greatness, I had to be slammed back to reality that this was a FUNi DVD.
That's because it kindof... IS a FUNi DVD...
They included the Dub on the set... they NEED to put credits in... that's part of the deal...

Wow, Dragon Ball Fans just love to complain don't they?...

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Post by B » Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:07 am

It's part of their "didn't change a damn thing" deal with the audio or video. Taking the ED and translating every credit is changing something to the video. Hell, they didn't bother to dub any previews for the dub. They're taking our advice and just not screwing with anything.
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Post by sangofe » Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:39 am

A question for the owners; are the menus the same for all discs in the set, or do they change with each disc?

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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:40 am

DemonRin wrote:
G1Ravage wrote:All we get is a copy and paste job. Not a big deal, since the dub, in FUNi's words, was an "afterthought", but after seven straight episodes of greatness, I had to be slammed back to reality that this was a FUNi DVD.
That's because it kindof... IS a FUNi DVD...
They included the Dub on the set... they NEED to put credits in... that's part of the deal...

Wow, Dragon Ball Fans just love to complain don't they?...
You're just looking to complain about someone else. Knock if off. If you actually read in detail what G1Ravage wrote, you would see that the credits being used don't even accurately correspond to the material on the disc (crediting people whose work wasn't used in any amount of this production), so yes... that's a little sloppy.

What the Hell is with people who interpret any amount of factual information that isn't SPLOOOOOOOOOGE as nerd rage and whining? The same thing happened two and a half years ago when we pointed out that some information in the first orange brick's book wasn't accurate, and certain sections of fandom threw a shit fit over us pointing that out.

Was information wrong? Yes. Are we allowed to factually point that out? Yes. Deal.
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