FUNimation Dragon Box Z #1 (In-Hands) Discussion

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:45 am

mikezilla2 wrote:Put simply, I find it really (difficult?) to keep my spelling in line at times.

Please, please, PLEASE at least try to put in a little more effort towards it.

hunterxhunter21 · Post by **hunterxhunter21** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:52 am

mikezilla2 wrote:or is he referring to the fact that there are 2 region codes on the disks, 1 and 4?

This is your answer.

Is Australia getting a Dragon Box? Also I like the grain, it nice to not have it look like a brand new cartoon. Like watching the old hand drawn Simpsons episodes. Cartoons today look to pretty.

mikezilla2 · Post by **mikezilla2** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:06 am

hunterxhunter21 wrote:
mikezilla2 wrote:or is he referring to the fact that there are 2 region codes on the disks, 1 and 4?
This is your answer.

Is Australia getting a Dragon Box? Also I like the grain, it nice to not have it look like a brand new cartoon. Like watching the old hand drawn Simpsons episodes. Cartoons today look to pretty.

Thank you , any useful links for documentation on the box sets ?

hunterxhunter21 · Post by **hunterxhunter21** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:10 am

mikezilla2 wrote:
hunterxhunter21 wrote:
mikezilla2 wrote:or is he referring to the fact that there are 2 region codes on the disks, 1 and 4?
This is your answer.

Is Australia getting a Dragon Box? Also I like the grain, it nice to not have it look like a brand new cartoon. Like watching the old hand drawn Simpsons episodes. Cartoons today look to pretty.
thank you , any useful links for documentation on the box sets ?

What do you mean by documentation?

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:11 am

mikezilla2 wrote:thank you , any useful links for documentation on the box sets ?

Dude?! Do you know what a "shift" key is? There are two of them on your keyboard, or there should be. I know you know what the space bar does... But you seem to, for the most part, structure our sentences correctly, so I assume English is your native language (Australia, maybe?). Let's try to utilize all the keys on the keyboard, okay?

mikezilla2 · Post by **mikezilla2** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:11 am

hunterxhunter21 wrote:
mikezilla2 wrote:
hunterxhunter21 wrote: This is your answer.

Is Australia getting a Dragon Box? Also I like the grain, it nice to not have it look like a brand new cartoon. Like watching the old hand drawn Simpsons episodes. Cartoons today look to pretty.
thank you , any useful links for documentation on the box sets ?
What do you mean by documentation?

A[n] in-depth wiki(?) link of sorts or a comprehensive overview that's not a forum post.

hunterxhunter21 · Post by **hunterxhunter21** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:16 am

I would just use this forum mikezilla. It is going to be the best place to get info. To be honest, the question you asked was answer 10 or so pages back. So I would just put some coffee on and enjoy the read.

I spent a month in Australia, they don't capitalized words when they speak there... I kid, I kid.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:19 am

mikezilla2 wrote:a in-depth wik link of sorts or a compressive over view that's not a forum post :)

Oh, you don't want a compressive overview. Those just squeeze all the fun right out of it.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:42 am

Herms wrote:Oh, you don't want a compressive overview. Those just squeeze all the fun right out of it.

lol!

John · Post by **John** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:52 am

Has Funi confirmed all the super neat extras on future Dragon Box releases? They better be there...

My DBox should get here tomorrow and I seriously haven't been this excited over a Dragon Ball release in ages.

I say "CHEERS," you guys. We got something incredible in our hands.

hunterxhunter21 · Post by **hunterxhunter21** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:55 am

John wrote:Has Funi confirmed all the super neat extras on future Dragon Box releases? They better be there...

My DBox should get here tomorrow and I seriously haven't been this excited over a Dragon Ball release in ages.

I say "CHEERS," you guys. We got something incredible in our hands.

Nothing has been said. We don't really know anything about the next one.

I hate to sound like a jerk, but I wish the first post would be edited to include a FAQ and "READ THE FIRST POST FIRST" was added into the title. It just seems like a lot of the same questions come up.

whitey · Post by **whitey** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:06 am

This set looks amazing. I cannot wait to get my hands on this. Now a couple of questions.

In the original Dragon Books how many characters got a profile? With only 4 in this release are we to expect all characters from the original will appear? If we get 4 profiles in each of the 7 DBooks that will be 28 characters. Is that enough?

The Vegeta art on the DBook cover is great but i am wondering if this was used anywhere in the originals ( i know it wasn't on the covers) or is this an image used by Funi elsewhere before.

With the FUNi boxes being region 1 and 4 could this mean an Australian release through Madman may not happen? I will be importing this no matter what but can't help but think that Madman may not be confident of profiting from another release of the series. Would FUNi need permission of some form to be able to make a region 4 compatable release.

Also once the Dbox is officially released what is the likelyhood of the price on Amazon.com increasing from the pre order price? Selling my season sets 1-6 and first 4 double features for $200 tomorrow at work but unfortunately i have a vet bill for my dog which will use nearly all of that.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:57 am

I sincerely doubt Madman will put it out, this is the company that wouldn't even put out One Piece.

Besides, even if they did, I'd avoid them all together, unless you want the nice progressive encode present on the Dragonbox tainted by a horrible interlaced PAL conversion (like the double features were).

B · Post by B » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:56 am

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:

I fucking love this.

Does anyone who has it want to bother giving us some clips?

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:26 am

B wrote:Does anyone who has it want to bother giving us some clips?

And then get the triple assult of Youtube, FUNimation & Toei?

Patient-mental · Post by **Patient-mental** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:01 am

Never got what was wrong with PAL, doesn't make sense to me but I may be wrong.

B · Post by B » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:01 am

SHINOBI-03 wrote:And then get the triple assult of Youtube, FUNimation & Toei?

There's places like MediaFire or 4Shared where someone could put up a 20 second clip.

What kind of self-respecting person would watch the DRAGONBOX on YouTube? They compress the shit out of virtually every video.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:55 am

Patient-mental wrote:Never got what was wrong with PAL, doesn't make sense to me but I may be wrong.

(Ignoring extra stuff like color space conversions, etc...)

- The PAL standard is 25 fps (50 fields per second) at 576 vertical lines of video.

- The NTSC standard is 29.97 fps (~60 fields per second) at 480 vertical lines of video.

- Traditional "film" is 23.976 / 24 fps.

With older televisions (good ol' CRTs) that cannot display things at the film frame rate, a process called a "telecine" is done. These are those weird horizontal lines you see when digitally examining interlaced footage ('cuz it's... ya' know... the interlacing you're seeing). Television/video hardware knows what to do with this to create the 60 "fields" per second to create the illusion of extra frames and you don't typically see those lines when watching.

It's basically a trick with the math and video information to get up from 23.976 to 29.97 frames per second.

Then you toss PAL into the mix. The math doesn't work quite as well going from NTSC (either 23.976 or 29.97) to PAL (25). You have to actually speed up the footage, generally, in order to make things work. This also affects the audio; I've talked before how the BGM on the "Big Green" dubs is higher-pitched due to the speed-up and sounds ridiculous.

If it's a nice progressive print at 23.976, at least you don't have to worry about double the interlacing lines. It gets significantly worse and more troublesome when the footage is interlaced, though. How do you speed up the footage to get to PAL, meanwhile getting around the interlacing, which itself was mathematically created/computed to work with NTSC hardware instead of PAL? This is when you end up with strange ghosting and jittery movement in some poor PAL transfers.

That was a really rough overview, and kinda dumbed down to get around some extra tech stuff (not bothering with things like the pulldown tag). Long story short, PAL isn't "worse" than NTSC (in fact, the locals will claim differently... Never The Same Color). It has to do with the fact that USA and Japan are NTSC, and since anime was traditionally done with a film transfer and then telecined... it just gets really messy going over to PAL.

mikezilla2 · Post by **mikezilla2** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:08 am

Vegetto is right. The old bricks weren't muiti-region, were they? And the books that come with these new sets aren't as good as once hoped?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:12 am

EricM wrote:Ok I've begun my nitpicking...

Left is JP release, right is US release:

few things I've noticed:
-Funi version is bit brighter, but that means the colors look a bit washed out (see Goku's hair), they look richer in the JP version
-The grain has a slight nicer appearance in the JP version, it looks finer where Funi's looks lumpier
-Top of the frame is cleaner on the JP version, Funi version has a band along the edge, and some dead space.
-Tiny bit of the frame is chopped off the bottom of the Funi version, as the frame is moved down slightly for no apparent reason.
-Less compression artifacts in the JP version, as expected

More tomorrow, with bitrate distribution graph comparisons.

Didn't really notice any of that.