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Re: Strange Dragon Ball Website/Wiki Mistakes

Post by DemonRin » Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:17 pm

Herms wrote:
mrzisawesome wrote:Toriyama has stated that the Anime counts.
Where?
Yes, where did he say this?

Plus, even if we assume he did say this, in that case, what happens when an event of the Anime contradicts the information presented in the Manga?

According to the Anime, The God of Planet Vegeta Destroyed the planet himself, not Freeza.
According to the Anime, Garlic Jr. is a Canon character in the series, but the only time they could have met and fought him for the first time was a time before Gohan was trained, but after Kuririn Met him.
According to the Anime, Dr. Frappe made Cyborg #8, not Gero.

And there's like 100 of these.
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Re: Strange Dragon Ball Website/Wiki Mistakes

Post by Kaboom » Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:41 pm

Posting because DemonRin's message somehow isn't showing up, hoping this'll fix it. If not:
DemonRin wrote:
Herms wrote:
mrzisawesome wrote:Toriyama has stated that the Anime counts.
Where?
Yes, where did he say this?

Plus, even if we assume he did say this, in that case, what happens when an event of the Anime contradicts the information presented in the Manga?

According to the Anime, The God of Planet Vegeta Destroyed the planet himself, not Freeza.
According to the Anime, Garlic Jr. is a Canon character in the series, but the only time they could have met and fought him for the first time was a time before Gohan was trained, but after Kuririn Met him.
According to the Anime, Dr. Frappe made Cyborg #8, not Gero.

And there's like 100 of these.
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Post by DemonRin » Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:45 pm

So wait, it's not just me? Other people can't see my post either?
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Post by Metalwario64 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:48 pm

DemonRin wrote:So wait, it's not just me? Other people can't see my post either?
Yes, that happens sometimes. It appears to be a glitch with the forum.
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Re: Strange Dragon Ball Website/Wiki Mistakes

Post by mrzisawesome » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:17 pm

http://www.pojo.com/dragonball/intervie ... yama.shtml
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So, what was that about the filler not counting? Hmm?

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Post by Herms » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:59 pm

mrzisawesome wrote:So, what was that about the filler not counting? Hmm?
I'm not really sure why you'd think that comic is Toriyama saying that filler "counts". It's basically just him talking about how he isn't too involved with filler. Here's a translation of the Japanese comic. My French is pretty lousy, so I can't really tell if the French version makes any huge changes.
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People who don’t know a lot about anime sometimes ask me outrageous stuff like “It must be really hard drawing both the books and TV versions. Do you ever have time to play?”, but I basically don’t do anything with the anime version, and leave it up to others. I don’t want to die, after all.
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Panel 13
For instance, in a manga you can draw a cut like this in just one easy panel, but in anime in order to make this look like it's moving, you have to draw a terrible number of pictures. (Maybe this picture wasn’t the best example…)
Kame-sennin: Puff-puff

Panel 14
I suppose that those people kind enough to read the DragonBall manga that I’ve drawn realize this, but in the TV anime there are sometimes stories that weren’t in the books.
Oolong: Huh? When did this happen?

Panel 15
This is because if you animated 1 book chapter’s worth of material, it would be over in less than 10 minutes, and a 30 minute program would very quickly overtake the original manga, so the people on the anime staff regulate things by inserting original stories. Animation really is awfully tough. They do a great job.
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Post by Eddie » Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:22 pm

Herms wrote:Straw hat Toriyama
Holy crap, when did he join the crew? I really need to read past Alabasta...

Anyway, I recall seeing something about how Coola's design was based on a Predator somewhere. DB Wikia, perhaps?

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Post by mrzisawesome » Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:40 pm

Herms wrote:
mrzisawesome wrote:So, what was that about the filler not counting? Hmm?
I'm not really sure why you'd think that comic is Toriyama saying that filler "counts". It's basically just him talking about how he isn't too involved with filler. Here's a translation of the Japanese comic. My French is pretty lousy, so I can't really tell if the French version makes any huge changes.
Panel 12
People who don’t know a lot about anime sometimes ask me outrageous stuff like “It must be really hard drawing both the books and TV versions. Do you ever have time to play?”, but I basically don’t do anything with the anime version, and leave it up to others. I don’t want to die, after all.
Straw hat Toriyama: I’m going to live to be 100!

Panel 13
For instance, in a manga you can draw a cut like this in just one easy panel, but in anime in order to make this look like it's moving, you have to draw a terrible number of pictures. (Maybe this picture wasn’t the best example…)
Kame-sennin: Puff-puff

Panel 14
I suppose that those people kind enough to read the DragonBall manga that I’ve drawn realize this, but in the TV anime there are sometimes stories that weren’t in the books.
Oolong: Huh? When did this happen?

Panel 15
This is because if you animated 1 book chapter’s worth of material, it would be over in less than 10 minutes, and a 30 minute program would very quickly overtake the original manga, so the people on the anime staff regulate things by inserting original stories. Animation really is awfully tough. They do a great job.
Toriyama on Kinto-un: Enjoy the manga and the anime!
Thats pretty close to the french. In the french, the final panel says: Dragon Ball its the anime and the manga!
Granted if its a mistranslation, look at this interview, where AK states the anime is in "ONE DIMENSION" with the manga:
http://www.pojo.com/dragonball/intervie ... yama.shtml

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Post by Herms » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:27 pm

mrzisawesome wrote:Thats pretty close to the french. In the french, the final panel says: Dragon Ball its the anime and the manga!
Granted if its a mistranslation, look at this interview, where AK states the anime is in "ONE DIMENSION" with the manga:
http://www.pojo.com/dragonball/intervie ... yama.shtml
"Dragon Ball its the anime and the manga!" is a pretty loose translation, but even then I'm not really sure what that would have to do with filler counting or whatever.

That supposed Toriyama interview on Pojo is extremely suspect. It seems to consist of a few legitimate Toriyama quotes from different places all thrown together, along with a few original comments like that "one dimension" thing. I'm 99% sure someone simply made that up and surrounded it with actual Toriyama quotes to make it seem legitimate. If you could find what actual issue of Jump Toriyama says that in, then maybe I'd believe it. But I've read just about every Toriyama interview published in Jump or elsewhere, and I don't remember him ever saying anything even remotely similar to the canon quote on that Pojo page.
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Post by EnmaDaiou » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:59 pm

I have a lot of japanese guides and db stuff.
Includding some rare publications.

I'd never seen any comment from akira saying anithing about filler is valid or not.

In the anime guide published this month in japan, akira said one more time that he did almist nothing in anime.

I think the mest clear message from him about non-canonic thing was in dbgt dcd box i think.
Where he calls gt a "side story".
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Post by Herms » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:37 am

EnmaDaiou wrote:In the anime guide published this month in japan, akira said one more time that he did almist nothing in anime.
I find it interesting how he often talks about doing "almost nothing" for the anime, when we know he actually did a fairly decent amount of designs and other stuff. It could just be Japanese humility, or maybe those extra things did seem pretty piddling to him compared to all the work involved in putting a complete new chapter out week after week.
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Post by DemonRin » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:51 am

mrzisawesome wrote:Thats pretty close to the french. In the french, the final panel says: Dragon Ball its the anime and the manga!
Granted if its a mistranslation, look at this interview, where AK states the anime is in "ONE DIMENSION" with the manga:
http://www.pojo.com/dragonball/intervie ... yama.shtml
Ok, lets say for the sake of argument you are right.
The Anime filler is canon.

Who destroyed planet Vegeta?

Who created the Cyborgs?

Who created the Dragon Balls, and how?

Which Saiyan space ship did Son Goku take to Namek?

During what point of the series is Garlic Jr. introduced?

Why did Vegeta see Son as a Super Saiyan during the Namek Arc, yet later when Trunks went SS, he was shocked at how the form looked?

And while we're at it, Was Trunks able to go Super Saiyan BEFORE, or AFTER the death of Gohan in the future timeline?
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Post by EnmaDaiou » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:41 am

Herms wrote:
EnmaDaiou wrote:In the anime guide published this month in japan, akira said one more time that he did almist nothing in anime.
I find it interesting how he often talks about doing "almost nothing" for the anime, when we know he actually did a fairly decent amount of designs and other stuff. It could just be Japanese humility, or maybe those extra things did seem pretty piddling to him compared to all the work involved in putting a complete new chapter out week after week.
In that interview, he was saying about his interference in the animation process.
In the same interview he says that he chose Nozawa Masako to be the Goku's voice.

I think he is being sincere when he says he did almost nothing.
Most of the things he did was about character design and some characteristics of those characters.

I think he want everyone to knows that there's some things he did.
But it was not him who created the storyes and defined important things.

Mr. Toriyama is very polite.
He never says something is "bad" or that he "don't like" directly.

But in my opinion he leaves a lot of "hidden" messages.

The comment he did on the Japanese trailer of DB EVOLUTION, for example..
He doesn't says the film is BAD or that he didn't like.
But he dont use good words to the film too.

In Japanese forums/blogs, I saw a lot of japanese comments about this.
Comments like "Got it sensei (
Mr. Toriyama). It's better NOT to see that movie"



Mr. Toriyama don't says GT is good.
He says the ANIMATOR is good.
And he says that he DIDN'T designed ssj4.

I feel like
Mr. Toriyama always want's to say indirectly, that manga, anime, live action movies.. Are all different universes.

But this is just my impression.

EDIT:
I remember that somewhere,
Mr. Toriyama said that almost every time he tried to change something in anime, his opinion was denied.
I think it was in letters section of shounen jump.
I'll try to confirm it.
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Post by mrzisawesome » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:41 am

I think Pojo is a reliable source here. They've been a fansite for a while now and I trust them.
The only mistake I've seen is giving freeza and goku's powerlevels when they fought to be only 12 million and 15 million.

http://www.kanzentai.com/bp.php?id=guide

As explained in the link, its not really their fault. Its because of the ultimate DBZ site giving a mistranslation.

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Post by m121akuma » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:48 am

If I remember correctly, Pojo has copied entire articles from DaizEX without crediting them at all. That is about as scummy as you can get, and not becoming of a "reliable source".

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Post by EnmaDaiou » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:50 am

mrzisawesome wrote:I think Pojo is a reliable source here. They've been a fansite for a while now and I trust them.
The only mistake I've seen is giving freeza and goku's powerlevels when they fought to be only 12 million and 15 million.

http://www.kanzentai.com/bp.php?id=guide

As explained in the link, its not really their fault. Its because of the ultimate DBZ site giving a mistranslation.
Being a reliable source doesn't mean we can just trust them even when they don't show exactly what are the sources.
Knowing the sources, someone can confirm that.

I don't think Kanzentai or Daizex are reliable because of the time their exists.
I trust them because they always show sources and scans. Usually with original context. in Japanese.

And even if that comment exists, we must know the context of the conversation and the original text in japanese to know exactly what is the point.
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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:50 am

m121akuma wrote:If I remember correctly, Pojo has copied entire articles from DaizEX without crediting them at all. That is about as scummy as you can get, and not becoming of a "reliable source".
Yeppers :).

Simply "existing" (for any period of time) does not inherently mean "reliable", just like EnmaDaiou noted.
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Post by EnmaDaiou » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:00 am

VegettoEX wrote:
m121akuma wrote:If I remember correctly, Pojo has copied entire articles from DaizEX without crediting them at all. That is about as scummy as you can get, and not becoming of a "reliable source".
Yeppers :).

Simply "existing" (for any period of time) does not inherently mean "reliable", just like EnmaDaiou noted.
They even hotlinked images?!
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Post by Adamant » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:43 am

Yep. From what I understand, Pojo allows anyone to submit material to the site, so any dumbass can write (or in this case, claim to have written) whatever he wants, and get it posted. There's no overall manual of style, little quality checking, no correcting of spelling and grammar mistakes, and absolutely no fact or source checking. It's an amazingly bad site, and about as far from "reliable" as you can get.
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