Who came first?

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Re: Who came first?

Post by Kingdom Heartless » Mon May 09, 2011 10:14 pm

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VegettoEX wrote:I'm not denying the existence of casual fans with sketchy memories. I'm pondering the existence of die-hard, bat-shit-crazy Broli fans that are commonly referred to in hyperbolic fashion but I have yet to ever actually see with my own eyes.
Ok, take a clip of Broly from one of the Sparking games where he's fighting someone like SSj3 Goku, and post it on YouTube. Make the title something along the lines of "What would happen if Broly fought SSj3 Goku" (Of course, make sure Broly wins, utterly demolishing whoever he's fighting.)

Come back in about 2 or 3 months and read the comments. Make sure you put Broly in the tags for the video.

You'll see them.
Yes, but you'll probably see even more people using phrases like "Broly fags" and stuff like that. There are idiots for every cause, and I find more disdain for the people who assume that just because someone likes Broly, they are a not a fan of Dragon Ball, rather a fan of the wrestlemania, grunting males, etc side that Funimaton sells. Because that is something I see a lot more than these over the top Broly fans.
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Re: Who came first?

Post by whitney232 » Mon May 09, 2011 10:23 pm

VegettoEX wrote:I'm not denying the existence of casual fans with sketchy memories. I'm pondering the existence of die-hard, bat-shit-crazy Broli fans that are commonly referred to in hyperbolic fashion but I have yet to ever actually see with my own eyes.
If you were on DA you would see them, one of them is pretty popular but I don't wanna mention her name here. I'm on there but I tend to stay in the background away from the craziness. >.>

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Re: Who came first?

Post by SuperForteX » Mon May 09, 2011 11:51 pm

DA... haven't heard of that one. Now I want to go there.

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Re: Who came first?

Post by laserkid » Tue May 10, 2011 11:01 pm

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go have fun ;)

I have also never really ran across "the CRAZAY" Broli fans in my travels. Ever.

The closest I can get is me making fun of Broli movies by making pretend movie covers. ;)
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Re: Who came first?

Post by SuperForteX » Tue May 10, 2011 11:05 pm

What I was saying before though, is that most of the "casual fans" out there are big Broly fans. Maybe not "rabid" fans, but certainly the rabid ones do exist. Just look at the precious "Broly: His power is maximum" picture drawn by a preschooler. A lot of the casual fans out there at least have the impression that Broly is one of the strongest characters in the show. Apparently, this is a mindset that also exsits in the Japanese culture, since they made Hatchiyak look impressive by having Goku say "he may be as strong as Broly!"

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Re: Who came first?

Post by Kingdom Heartless » Wed May 11, 2011 12:34 am

Apparently, this is a mindset that also exsits in the Japanese culture, since they made Hatchiyak look impressive by having Goku say "he may be as strong as Broly!"
Well they used that because it basically made the most sense at the time, since the movies were part of the game's "canon," and Broly was one of the most recent villains to appear, and his power was far above the characters at that point, so it was basically just their way of saying "he's way stronger than we are!"
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Re: Who came first?

Post by Eire » Wed May 11, 2011 2:02 am

I'm not denying the existence of casual fans with sketchy memories. I'm pondering the existence of die-hard, bat-shit-crazy Broli fans that are commonly referred to in hyperbolic fashion but I have yet to ever actually see with my own eyes.
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Re: Who came first?

Post by Ringworm128 » Wed May 11, 2011 3:55 am

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote: Hell, I've debated with "Broly fans" who've claimed Broly was as powerful as Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
If you think thats bad last night I saw one saying he was equal to SSJ4 Goku.

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Re: Who came first?

Post by SuperForteX » Wed May 11, 2011 4:22 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:I find more disdain for the people who assume that just because someone likes Broly, they are a not a fan of Dragon Ball, rather a fan of the wrestlemania, grunting males, etc side that Funimaton sells
Aren't you doing the same thing towards FUNimation fans now? So now you see that you couldn't ride on the Kintoun either.

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Re: Who came first?

Post by laserkid » Wed May 11, 2011 11:38 pm

O.O

Dude... super non sequitor.

No one in this thread has commented on the FUNimation dub just Broli and his apparently mythical overboard fans.
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Re: Who came first?

Post by SuperForteX » Thu May 12, 2011 12:48 am

laserkid wrote:O.O

Dude... super non sequitor.

No one in this thread has commented on the FUNimation dub just Broli and his apparently mythical overboard fans.
He did... and I quoted it. He seemed to imply that what FUNimation put out "isn't Dragon Ball, it's just grunting males and Wrestlemania."

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Re: Who came first?

Post by Herms » Thu May 12, 2011 1:28 am

Anyone remember that one guy from awhile back who kept demanding that people translate every single last daizenshuu scan relating to Broli? Even ones that had already been translating for him, and just said stuff like "Broli is a really cool guy" and whatnot? So we've had at least one such Broli fan here, at any rate.
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Re: Who came first?

Post by Savage68 » Thu May 12, 2011 1:33 am

Ah, yes. Lucas Abner. I suppose by now he's learned to read the scans by himself.

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Re: Who came first?

Post by SuperForteX » Thu May 12, 2011 1:44 am

A problem, of course, that would be solved if we had full page-by-page scanlsations of the Daizenshuu. Um, why hasn't anyone done this yet?

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Re: Who came first?

Post by Kingdom Heartless » Thu May 12, 2011 1:45 am

It wasn't really intended as a jab towards the Funimation dub... it was more talking about the mindset that many have about dub fans who like Broly.

But to a degree, yes, I did mean that Funimation sells Dragon Ball in a different way than the original Japanese version did. But I wasn't trying to be negative about it, only about the pretense that "dub fan + Broly fan= muscular super dude loving non-fans."

Basically, it was intended as a reference to the association between Broly fans and dub fans.
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Re: Who came first?

Post by SuperForteX » Thu May 12, 2011 1:58 am

Ah, gotcha'. Well I can understand the simile. Also, when I made that rebuttal I was feeling really defensive at the time. Sorry.

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Re: Who came first?

Post by Maphisto86 » Thu May 12, 2011 3:01 am

VegettoEX wrote:I'm not denying the existence of casual fans with sketchy memories. I'm pondering the existence of die-hard, bat-shit-crazy Broli fans that are commonly referred to in hyperbolic fashion but I have yet to ever actually see with my own eyes.
Mostly these rare creatures are relatively new to the series being introduced usually via the video games. Not to mention the hype surrounding "the" legendary Super Saiyajin by Vegeta and Freeza during the Namek saga sure does hype up the prophecy that Broly is supposed to represent in Movie 8. I admit I am somewhat a fan of the big lug but even back when I was first made known of his existence and saw Movies 8 and 10, I never thought for a moment he was the strongest character in the series. As for the claim that Brolly's conception predated Trunk's . . . heck that's new to me! I have heard some wild stuff about Dragonball in the past back in the early days (well for me 1998 - 1999). Yet I have never heard such a ridiculous example of fandumb.

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Re: Who came first?

Post by Kingdom Heartless » Thu May 12, 2011 4:53 am

As for the claim that Brolly's conception predated Trunk's . . . heck that's new to me! I have heard some wild stuff about Dragonball in the past back in the early days (well for me 1998 - 1999). Yet I have never heard such a ridiculous example of fandumb.
Well, it's not entirely ridiculous that an anime character was conceived way back before it was actually used. Especially one like Broly. Toei clearly had some ideas they threw around about the Legendary Super Saiyan, from the false Super Saiyan in Movie 4, to the Golden Oozaru they had in filler and went on to include in GT.

The concept that Toei could have thought of the character after seeing Goku transform in the manga isn't completely unfathomable, but at the same time it is completely baseless.
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Re: Who came first?

Post by Herms » Thu May 12, 2011 11:54 am

SuperForteX wrote:A problem, of course, that would be solved if we had full page-by-page scanlsations of the Daizenshuu.
People feeling entitled to translations isn't something that changes when you give them translations.
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Re: Who came first?

Post by Silver Sinspawn » Sun May 15, 2011 3:44 am

I think we assume all Broly fans are like this:

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