Scenes That Make Your Blood Boil

Tapion · Post by **Tapion** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:02 pm

~The very "sissy" Dabra talking with Videl and Chi-Chi.

~The continuous torturing of Videl by Supopobitchi.

~The many times Gohan wouldn't "finish Cell off", despite being told by his father, Piccolo, and others.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:31 pm

Tapion wrote:~The very "sissy" Dabra talking with Videl and Chi-Chi.

~The continuous torturing of Videl by Supopobitchi.

~The many times Gohan wouldn't "finish Cell off", despite being told by his father, Piccolo, and others.

Oh yeah, whenever there are post-Frieza saga instances of where the hero can destroy the enemy but doesn't because he's stupid, then the guy comes back stronger gets to me as well. And I'm glad that the sissy Dabura moment is only filler.

[insert_name_here] · Post by **[insert_name_here]** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:40 pm

*Every single Namek saga filler... *like get to Namek already*.
*Every pointless scene that lasts so long involving a lesser character.
*The little kids acting as Goku and co. as Hercule and Cell beat them all up

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:48 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:
Great Saiyaman wrote:JerseyMilk- Same with me. I was steaming until the next episode when I saw Mr. Satan beat the crap out of those 2.
Ya I was actually cheering him the first time I saw it.

Same here, before that I hated him because he was a fraud, but that made me think "well maybe he's not such a horrible dude".

Oh, does this Forum have a word changer? Cause everytime I say H ercule, it comes up Mr.Satan.

El_Diablo · Post by **El_Diablo** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:59 pm

More like name correcter, mirite?

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:01 pm

People can have a first name ya know.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:38 pm

Great Saiyaman wrote:People can have a first name ya know.

I thought we cam to the conclusion his name was "Clarence".

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:57 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Jerseymilk wrote:Because it's bloody Dragonball that's why. Trust me, Toriyama barely ever had any kinds of sexual references other than ecchi stuff for the purpose of comedy in his manga. As he's revealed in interviews, he's really never been interested in that sort of thing, thus has no time for it.

The Roshi type stuff as I said before is for light-hearted comedy purposes. There's a BIG difference between ecchi and hentai. Implying that Pan was raped would fall into the hentai category. Especially at such a young age, it falls under the even more specialized category of NC loli hentai. I really highly doubt that Toriyama or in this case Toei would be going that root. It's a show aimed at kids, done by a studio that does a great many shows for kids.

Ya, there's some implied homosexuality, but once again it's pretty much for comedic purposes. That scene with the Village People guy blowing kisses at Trunks comes to mind. Killing? Well that's there, but like all fighting anime aimed at kids, the heroes always come back and the villains deserve to die anyway. The pre-marital stuff? It's still a grown man and woman. I assume you're referring to Buruma and Vegeta. That brings me back to the homosexuality. Note in the majority of anime series, homosexuality is either there for comedic purposes or it's a total unrealistic fantasy, such as Utena. The Japanese have always painted a very unrealistic view of homosexuals in there anime. So that issue is really quite tame and non-threatening also.

Truthfully, when thinking of all the animes out there, Dragonball is one of the best examples of "what you see is you get". It's just not an anime that has these hidden overtones or implied dark secrets. The problem is people ALWAYS want to believe that there's ALWAYS a deeper meaning to everything, especially in anime it seems. Toriyama just isn't that type of guy.
You make great points, and I'll be one to say that something such as rape shouldn't have any place in DragonBall period. Thing is, the subject we're debating about (Pan and San Xing Long) gives an implying sense that the very event of rape may have ocurred, and you must understand I'm speaking from my point of view about this thing with Pan. Also, you didn't answer my first question, did you even see those GT episodes (54 - 56)? I'd like to hear your opinion on that matter with Pan and San Xing Long with a "seeing with your own eyes" view on it.

Yes I've seen the episodes and the implication of rape never even entered my mind.

Desire: I already stated in that same post of mine you quoted from, my reasons that I think Toei wouldn't put that in DB either:

I really highly doubt that Toriyama or in this case Toei would be going that root. It's a show aimed at kids, done by a studio that does a great many shows for kids.

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:21 am

Maybe it's just your minds thinking she got raped (who ever thought). I've seen a few episodes of GT, I'm not sure if I've seen the one you're talking about, but I haven't thought anything happening was implying Pan got raped.

And Satan beating up those idiots made people actually acknowledge the fact that Mr. Satan is only weak against the Z fighters and enemies like Cell or Buu. Although when it comes to humans, he doesn't even hold back, look at Spopovitch, those two idiots, has he beat up anyone else? Or more to the point, which humans(excluding the Z fighters) have beat up Satan? None!

Ok, he was scared to show he's face against that gang boss when the mayor was at knife-point, but I'd be shitting myself if they wanted me to come out there.

Oh, and I also hate when there's a fight build up, and as soon as they charge it goes to another scene like Bulma walking or some other silliness.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:08 pm

-Freeza killing Vegeta
-Spopovitch beating the fuck out of Videl
-San Xing Long/Pan thing everyone's talking about
-Garlic Jr. Saga

Last Son of Krypton · Post by **Last Son of Krypton** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:44 pm

Suppopovitch's relentless beating of Videl. That's the only scene that has made me angry.

Kula · Post by **Kula** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:20 pm

After watching the dub I thought that Android 17 wasn't wished back, and that annoyed me because he seemed like a good person at heart. Obviously I now know that he WAS wished back.
I was also annoyed that nobody bothered to wish back Android 16. He was part of the reason why Gohan tuned SSJ2, and he even fought against Cell!

Goku's attitude at certain points really got to me. He decided to stay dead after the Cell games when he could easily have been wished back. The way he took off to train with Uub was pretty darn selfish. He didn't visit home for 5 years! (If i'm wrong on this, then please correct me). He could have trained during the day and come home at night using instantaneous movement.

Vegeta letting Cell absorb Android #18 was annoying, but neccessary I suppose. At least I could laugh at Vegeta when Cell handed his ass to him.

Tapion · Post by **Tapion** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:22 pm

Vegeta being ignorant and repeatedly boasting about how "I don't need your help, I'll beat the Androids and Cell on my own!!!"

[insert_name_here] · Post by **[insert_name_here]** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:51 pm

~Any 'Ultimate Uncut' episode that includes the same exact lines as the first dub.

~Gohan and Kuririn's little 'shadow fight' using their minds. They just kept on appearing and reappearing, and they never actually hit each other.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:42 pm

~Any 'Ultimate Uncut' episode that includes the same exact lines as the first dub.

Don't know how I missed that one.

After watching the dub I thought that Android 17 wasn't wished back, and that annoyed me because he seemed like a good person at heart. Obviously I now know that he WAS wished back.
I was also annoyed that nobody bothered to wish back Android 16. He was part of the reason why Gohan tuned SSJ2, and he even fought against Cell!

Goku's attitude at certain points really got to me. He decided to stay dead after the Cell games when he could easily have been wished back. The way he took off to train with Uub was pretty darn selfish. He didn't visit home for 5 years! (If i'm wrong on this, then please correct me). He could have trained during the day and come home at night using instantaneous movement.

Vegeta letting Cell absorb Android #18 was annoying, but neccessary I suppose. At least I could laugh at Vegeta when Cell handed his ass to him.

Everyone killed by Cell was wished back, #16 and #17 included. #16 just never made another apperance, like Lunch after the Saiyajin saga. Goku's additude really got to me too, what kind of father leaves his children for years at a time, then comes back, expecting everyone to take him back? That was unrealistic. I say that by the Android Saga, Chi-Chi would have divorced Goku and married someone else.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:39 am

Chaos Saiyajin wrote:
~Any 'Ultimate Uncut' episode that includes the same exact lines as the first dub.
Don't know how I missed that one.

After watching the dub I thought that Android 17 wasn't wished back, and that annoyed me because he seemed like a good person at heart. Obviously I now know that he WAS wished back.
I was also annoyed that nobody bothered to wish back Android 16. He was part of the reason why Gohan tuned SSJ2, and he even fought against Cell!

Goku's attitude at certain points really got to me. He decided to stay dead after the Cell games when he could easily have been wished back. The way he took off to train with Uub was pretty darn selfish. He didn't visit home for 5 years! (If i'm wrong on this, then please correct me). He could have trained during the day and come home at night using instantaneous movement.

Vegeta letting Cell absorb Android #18 was annoying, but neccessary I suppose. At least I could laugh at Vegeta when Cell handed his ass to him.
Everyone killed by Cell was wished back, #16 and #17 included. #16 just never made another apperance, like Lunch after the Saiyajin saga. Goku's additude really got to me too, what kind of father leaves his children for years at a time, then comes back, expecting everyone to take him back? That was unrealistic. I say that by the Android Saga, Chi-Chi would have divorced Goku and married someone else.

Android 16 wasn't wished back. The reason was because he was a true android, and not a cyborg like 17 was. Therefore he couldn't be wished back to life.

[insert_name_here] · Post by **[insert_name_here]** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:43 am

~How Toei animation doesn't acknowledge that Android 17 is alive even though he appears for a short second in the Kid Buu saga. Yet in GT, they all say that 17 is dead and was brought back by Mui and Gero.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:55 am

Android 16 wasn't wished back. The reason was because he was a true android, and not a cyborg like 17 was. Therefore he couldn't be wished back to life.

Oh, so because #16 was a machine and had no soul, he couldn't be wished back...Thanks for clearing that up, Super Sonic.

~How Toei animation doesn't acknowledge that Android 17 is alive even though he appears for a short second in the Kid Buu saga. Yet in GT, they all say that 17 is dead and was brought back by Mui and Gero.

#17 dead? What? #17 has only died twice (until GT), when he was absorbed by Cell and when Kid Buu blew up the Earth. But the Earth was wished back with the Nameksei Dragonballs and with it the people, allowing him to return to life. He never died b/t then and GT (atleast we never see him do...) You've probably got #17 confused with Hell 17, a full robotic clone of 17 created by Myuu and Gero in Hell to fuse with #17.

[insert_name_here] · Post by **[insert_name_here]** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:52 pm

I think it was dub only, but somebody screamed "But 17 is supposed to be dead!" after Trunks told his story.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:35 pm

I think it was dub only, but somebody screamed "But 17 is supposed to be dead!" after Trunks told his story.

That nutty FUNi GT dub...

I've always wondered how Trunks knew about #17 in the first place, seeing how he didn't appear for 22 years. I know you can say that 'he's heard stories from the other Z senshi' but for some reason, I just never bought that. Even if he had heard stories, he'd never seen #17, so how did he identify him?