Gohan Question

the_abberration · Post by **the_abberration** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:26 am

Does anyone think that Gohan could have carried Dragonball Z if Goku was not in the picture?

If so, at which point do you think it should have happened?

1) After the Freeza arc

2) After the Pilaf Saga arc

3) After the Cell Saga arc

4) After the Buu Saga arc (when he returned as Mystic Gohan)

Thanks for your input. And sorry if this has been asked before.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:35 am

After the Buu Saga, if at all.

The problem with Gohan is he has no internal motivation. If nothing's immediately wrong, he'll gladly sit on his ass and eat corn chips all day.

That being said, the Mystic powerup was a godsend (pun intended) for him. Now, he can be lazy all he wants, and he'll never lose power! Huzzah!

If Goku were taken out of the picture, it should've been Piccolo and/or Vegeta taking his place, not his sorry excuse for a son.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:53 pm

It was Toriyama's intent to make Gohan the central character after the Cell games - but the will of the fans (and probably his editors) changed that

Gohan could've easily taken over for Goku after the Cell games (as was Goku's intent) if he didn't slack off so damn much - but in his defense he didn't think there was anything even remotly powerful left in the galaxy.

Personally, I think Gohan could've taken care of everything after Namek exploded. If he had trained properly with Piccolo (or Goku if he was still alive) Gohan would've been able to beef-up to near Super Saiyan strength before 'Mecha'-Freeza arived, and would probably go Super Saiyan in that battle. After that, it'd be a cake walk.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:31 pm

the_abberration wrote:Does anyone think that Gohan could have carried Dragonball Z if Goku was not in the picture?

If so, at which point do you think it should have happened?

1) After the Freeza arc

2) After the Pilaf Saga arc

3) After the Cell Saga arc

4) After the Buu Saga arc (when he returned as Mystic Gohan)

Thanks for your input. And sorry if this has been asked before.

I think it should have happened during the three years training before the arrival of the androids. It always bothered me that Goku never taught Gohan how to go SSJ during that time, knowing Vegeta, Gohan and Trunks could eventually do so. I always wanted Gohan to be the timid SSJ we saw in the Cell games, and then take over after defeating Cell.

Leotaku · Post by **Leotaku** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:08 pm

I'm just curious about what you mean by the Pilaf saga arc.
Did you mean Garlic Jr.?

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:51 pm

In my opinion, Gohan would be a horrible leader. Hmm...Let's see his agenda...study, study, study, don't train for seven years, don't train for ten years, keep up your slacking ass for another five, lose your Mystic power-up, then get possessed by a genocidal maniac...

C'mon, Gohan would be too busy reading 'Science Monthly' to even notice that an enemy killed his family.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:53 pm

Not to mention he always has to have Piccolo or Goku holding his hand.

It would've been hilarious if Vegeta had ever had to train him.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:31 pm

You know, I love how you guys criticise Gohan for not being like his father and neglecting his training to concentrate on family and studies, then the next minute you turn around and criticise Goku for spending all his time training and neglecting his family. They're not the same person. Get over it.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:41 pm

Not to mention he always has to have Piccolo or Goku holding his hand.

Heh, he'd NEVER survive even if he was at SSJ level if he hadn't trained with Piccolo in the Saiyajin arc. NEVER. After, he was, at the time, as Piccolo puts it...

Piccolo wrote:Spoiled brat.

At least be grateful.

rei-chan · Post by **rei-chan** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:55 pm

Maybe if he had stayed in that superpowerful, pissed-off, I'm-a-gonna-kill-you mode when he went SSJ2 at the Cell Games. After that, he was kind of naive and embarassing.
Saiyaman was created to punish me, I'm sure.

the_abberration · Post by **the_abberration** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:57 pm

Leotaku wrote:I'm just curious about what you mean by the Pilaf saga arc.
Did you mean Garlic Jr.?

Uh..yeah..My bad

The Mole · Post by **The Mole** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:29 pm

I'm going to fix that! DragonBall S will have something happen to Gohan to de-wussify him.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:11 pm

I'm going to fix that! DragonBall S will have something happen to Gohan to de-wussify him.

You and your fan-manga, Mole!

Socar15 · Post by **Socar15** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:37 am

The Mole wrote:I'm going to fix that! DragonBall S will have something happen to Gohan to de-wussify him.

Uh, I don’t think Gohan needs any “de-wussification”. By the time he turned SSJ2 back in the Cell Games, he seemed to have completely gotten over it.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:05 am

A thread dedicated to bashing one of the greatest characters of Dragonball.

Great...

Son Gohan was a fantastic contribution to the story. If he had been a carbon clone of Goku, he wouldn't be interesting in any way. He contrasted Goku and had a lot more humanity in him, and less fighting spirit.

He was a lot of things Goku was not, but he was a lot of things Goku was. He was pretty much intended to be the successor of Goku, and Toriyama-sensei must've wanted a different kind of person for the latter half of the story...cours', everyone else wanted Goku, so they got Goku.

But what's this about him being a wuss? I'm remembering a few things...oh yeah, being the first person to kick Freeza around, making the "perfect" fighter resort to self-destruction out of sheer desperation of the like never before seen from a major (or minor) Villain, taking the most sadistic, maniacal of the Boo's and just tossing him around.

Yeah, Gohan had a restrained, timid side, but THANK GOD he did. It carried more plot with it than any of Vegeta or Goku's "omg zenkai!!!" events.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:48 am

Oh but don't you understand Duo? He has to be EXACTLY like his father, otherwise that means he's a weakling!

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:08 pm

I don't dislike Gohan because he's not like his dad. I dislike him because he's quite possibly the cheapest character in DBZ.

Like the Mystic powerup. He sits on his ass for seven years, gets rightfully thrashed, then gets an ungodly huge powerup that puts him above everybody but Vegetto by sitting on his ass for a day somewhere else. Woo.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:34 pm

Well at least it's a change from the typical "go and train somewhere for a while" formula. Once again, you guys prove how fickle you are by complaining about repetitiveness in DBZ, then when something's done differently, there are complaints about that. Plus it's not like there was time to do that in the current situation with Majin Buu either. I notice there aren't complaints about when Vegeta allowed himself to be possessed by Babidi for a quick power-up though.

Oh and I must applaud your post Duo and say I totally agree with you.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:04 pm

How is the strongest being in the universe a wuss?

Gohan was basically the sar of Dragonball. He got more screen time in both the manga and the anime than Goku did.

Heh, he'd NEVER survive even if he was at SSJ level if he hadn't trained with Piccolo in the Saiyajin arc. NEVER. After, he was, at the time, as Piccolo puts it...
Piccolo wrote:
Spoiled brat.

Um he was four years old. He wasn't a brat, he was a polite well spoken little boy. He was just very sheltered and timid.

As Goku himself said in the Cell Games story arc. Gohan was far stronger than Goku was when he was Gohan's age.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:23 pm

I don't hate Gohan either, I just don't like the fact that he promised Goku that'd he'd protect the Earth after he was killed by Cell, and what does he go and do? Slack off in his training, let Vegeta surpass him...and when Majin Buu does appear, he still has to have daddy to hold his hand!

I don't hate Gohan, I just hate the fact that Goku was brought back after Cell's death. If he were not, then I think Gohan might have kept his promise to his father, knowing he was dead for good.

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