For sure, gotta get FUNi's release of movie 12.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:58 am

I know I'm getting it, and I believe I can speak for Chuquita, a cool female member who will also be getting it. This will be, like all movie prints FUNi gets from Toei, uncropped topnotch quality, Mr. Steve "Daimao" Simmons' full force subtitles. I've even heard reliable people say the Japanese version will be a stereo mix. Also, knowing FUNi and how they hype things, I'm willing to bet on quite a couple of special DVD extras for the curious people out there (probably the Goku Vs. Vegeta featurette from the first Ultimate Uncut DVD, since a little behind-the-scenes stuff of movie 12 is shown in that). I'm so pulling for the Spanish-Mexican version to make it, considering it didn't make it to Mexican theaters like DBZ movies 3 and 8, I'm thinking FUNi could get the rights to include it on this DVD release like DBZ movie 5 and the Ultimate Uncut releases.

Like I said, I know I'm getting it, what about the rest of you?

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:38 am

Sorry, R2 is ordered, and as I have a widescreen TV and what not, it works out better for me. If I were to buy FUNimation's disc (which I can assure you, if it's like the other movies, well, the quality isn't going to be Top-notch. It could be better), and I'd have to zoom in for it to fit on my widescreen TV. Either I have black bars on the side, or even worse video quality if I zoom in.

Nice to see it's coming out though, FINALLY.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:31 am

I've got the Dragon Box movies on reserve as well. Though that probably won't stop me from also getting the FUNi version simply for better subtitles than the shitty fansub VHS tapes. Plus I'm interested in seeing how Paikuhan's scene is handled in the English dub. XD (A moment we've ALL waited for for so many years.)

Dominator · Post by **Dominator** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:10 am

With all the hype over Movie 12, I'm going to laugh if everyone overlooks Movie 13.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:11 am

Wouldn't suprise me if FUNi hyped the hell out of the last movie with something like "The final chapter of Dragon Ball Z!" or something like that. XD

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:47 am

I'll be getting it, but not for the reasons you listed. Those'll just be bonuses.

ignition · Post by **ignition** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:41 pm

Blitzen wrote:Sorry, R2 is ordered, and as I have a widescreen TV and what not, it works out better for me. If I were to buy FUNimation's disc (which I can assure you, if it's like the other movies, well, the quality isn't going to be Top-notch. It could be better), and I'd have to zoom in for it to fit on my widescreen TV. Either I have black bars on the side, or even worse video quality if I zoom in.

Nice to see it's coming out though, FINALLY.

As an self-proclaimed videophile, I'm gonna need you to explain that to me once again, because your current logic hurt my head.

Are you saying that cropping a movie for widescreen (mind you I'm assuming that's what the region 2 DVD is doing) is better than watching it in its OAR, which God forbid, leaves some black bars on your TV?

Now, I could be interpreting your post totally incorrectly, but if I'm not, then that's as asnine as a comment as people who buy full-screen DVDs of widescreen movies just so they can say that they're "filling their TV".

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:18 pm

That sounds to me like what he was saying ignition. He doesn't want the bars on the side of his screen and since zooming in would make it look bad he wants the cropped version. Personally, I prefer as much picture as possible, hence why I like wide screen (except in cases like DBZ) so it doesn't make much sense to me either. Sure, you pay the extra bucks for the wide screen TV, but so what? The point to widescreen TVs is to see more of, not less...

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:53 pm

Are you saying that cropping a movie for widescreen (mind you I'm assuming that's what the region 2 DVD is doing) is better than watching it in its OAR, which God forbid, leaves some black bars on your TV?

Yes, the R2 version is using cropped masters for it's release. While it was animated in 1.33:1, the original presentation was in movie theatres, so roughly 27% was cut off. However, Toei already knew this, and as such anything lost in that percentage is ultimatly unimportant (bits of hair, etc). This is a pretty standard practice for most movies, usually by toei, based on longer running series and such.

As I've paid for a pretty large TV, I'd prefer not to have black bars on the sides of the screen. In layman's terms, if I just had a home video setup, I wouldn't mind FUNimations or an 1.33:1 version. However, as the original aspect technically was 16:9, and I have a home theatre setup, I'd prefer to have it as it was originally shown in theatres.

Now, I could be interpreting your post totally incorrectly, but if I'm not, then that's as asnine as a comment as people who buy full-screen DVDs of widescreen movies just so they can say that they're "filling their TV".

Not entirely. As I've put forward, 16:9 is technically one of it's/is it's original aspect ratio, which means it can play back fine on regular and widescreen TVs without a fuss. Fullscreen DVDs of widescreen things, on the other hand, leave you up shit creek should you decide to change over to a widescreen setup.

The point to widescreen TVs is to see more of, not less...

This is an entirely subjective thing, and quite difficult to answer to. DBZ movies and other such ilk are an arkward situation in this regard, but I think I'm more than justified in buying them for the reasons I've stated.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:38 pm

Your reasoning is bizarre: you're trying to say the widescreen presentation is the original version when it obviously isn't, even you state the 4:3 presentation is the true original - so there's no logic there.
You try to rationalize that the parts cut off are 'unimportant', well they were important enough to draw, ink, color, and photograph. The reason you purchased a "home theatre setup" instead of a "home video setup" (which, by the way, sounds incredibly pompous) was so you could see everything that was filmed, assuming the movie you're watching was filmed in widescreen. But these movies weren't filmed in widescreen, watching them in widescreen is actually detrimental to the video presentation.
It's ultimately up to you to decide which to buy, but I hope you don't do it because of some faulty logic.

PS - subjective reasoning is always easy to answer. Other may not like the answers, but that's because it's "sujective". Unfortunetly, all your reasons are "objective" ones (and are mostly wrong) - but your "subjective" reasons couldn't be "wrong".

ignition · Post by **ignition** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:08 pm

Well, it all comes down to OAR, so I suppose having the movies in widescreen does make some sense.

I just get so upset at people who want to fill up their widescreen TVs as much as possible, even though the OAR of a film might be 2.35:1. Lion's Gate has been fucking with the public as of recent by releasing Lord of War and Saw II in false 16:9 "widescreen" (i.e. they're releasing films with OARs of 2.35:1 in 1.78:1 just so people can fill up their widescreen TVs).

It's bad enough when morons buy full screen copies of widescreen movies, but now we've got a whole new brand of idiots - the ones who want to fill up thier widescreen DVDs.

But I suppose all this is moot when dicussing DBZ because of aspect ratios involved.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:40 pm

I am definetly going to get Movie 12, this is possibly the bes DBZ Movie ever made.

Plus I'm interested in seeing how Paikuhan's scene is handled in the English dub.

What happens in Pikkon's scene?

ignition · Post by **ignition** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:07 pm

From what I recall without revealing too much about the plot or give spoilers, Paikuhan slings a lot of curses and insults at one point.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:42 pm

LOL, sounds cool. I hope they don't change it to "darn darn dang, gosh golly, fudge"

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:52 pm

Great Saiyaman wrote:LOL, sounds cool. I hope they don't change it to "darn darn dang, gosh golly, fudge"

Considering FUNi's allowed curses in their dubs of movies 7, 9, and quite frequently in their Ultimate Uncut redub (not to mention Easter-egg moments here and there in the regular DBZ, GT, and original DB dubs). I wouldn't be surprised if FUNi allows Pikkon a "bastard", or "damn" here or there. I'm so hyped up for the 3D animation scene of Goku's SSJ3 transformation, as well as the short-but-very-sweet Gogeta battle. Hell, those are just a couple key points of animation, the entire movie's story line is awesome beyond words (Frieza, the Ginyu Force, Bojack and Zangya, even Hitler all make appearances). IMO, this is the best DBZ movie of all time (Second only to Path to Power), and getting on uncropped topnotch subbed format will own more than Toei's cropped "wide-screen" unsubbed format. Can't wait, can't wait!!

Last Son of Krypton · Post by **Last Son of Krypton** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:59 pm

It'll be interesting to hear Pikkon's cursing in the dub. I'm sure he'll say hell and damn. He might even say bastard. I hope Janenba has a good voice, too.

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:04 pm

Your reasoning is bizarre: you're trying to say the widescreen presentation is the original version when it obviously isn't, even you state the 4:3 presentation is the true original - so there's no logic there.

Maybe (like usual), I'm not making myself clear. I said it was originally animated in 4:3, but originally presented in 16:9. So realistically, it's OAR apon presentation is 16:9. Please note that this isn't a definitive rule for everything- I agree with ignition that cropped 4:3 and 2.35:1-1.78:1 releases are generally shitty, but with these kinds of movies and what not, I'm willing to make an exceptions.

And yes, I have a personal peeve at black bars on the sides of my screen, though not on the top or bottom. Just a personal thing.

You try to rationalize that the parts cut off are 'unimportant', well they were important enough to draw, ink, color, and photograph. The reason you purchased a "home theatre setup" instead of a "home video setup" (which, by the way, sounds incredibly pompous) was so you could see everything that was filmed, assuming the movie you're watching was filmed in widescreen. But these movies weren't filmed in widescreen, watching them in widescreen is actually detrimental to the video presentation.

I'm irrational and pompus. Awesome

While this doesn't exactly answer the statement you put forward, a reason behind doing them in 4:3, and then later cropping to 16:9 is so they can incorperate the TV-OP sequences. This isn't the case for everything (third saint seiya film, 13th DBZ film, 3rd DBZ film with original opening animation, so on), but as this cropping process happens a lot because of this, it's just become a standard (plus its cheaper to animate on 4:3 cels rather than 16:9 ones).

My reasoning for buying a Home Theatre system was so that I could see things as they were in the cinemas, not because I wanted to "see everything". While I realise I cannot have the entire "zomg wow cinema!!" experience, I'm atleast trying. Please stop putting words into my mouth, just because you disagree with my viewing habits.

It's ultimately up to you to decide which to buy, but I hope you don't do it because of some faulty logic.

Well, one of the reasons I am buying it is because I won't be able to get an uncut version of Blood Rubies anytime in the next fourteen thousand years, but I'm sure you'll find a reason why thats faulty and "wrong".

and getting on uncropped topnotch subbed format will own more than Toei's cropped "wide-screen" unsubbed format

Well, the DBZ movies also suffer the same kind of fate that their respective series does- oversaturation, blemishes, etc, SO I'm not entirely sure of what you're considering as top notch. It seems like you really dislike the Toei R2 releases. I'm wondering, what bought this around?

Either way, when they come out, we'll take screenshots and compare, deal?

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:08 pm

Last Son of Krypton wrote:It'll be interesting to hear Paikuhan's cursing in the dub. I'm sure he'll say hell and damn. He might even say bastard. I hope Janenba has a good voice, too.

Well, we've gotten samples of his English VA's (Kent Williams') work. The FUNi release of the Goku Jr. special, "A Hero's Legacy", features some already-dubbed footage of fat Janemba fighting normal-form Goku. IMO, Kent Williams just made fat Janemba sound like a dumbed down, more retarded version of Recoome (I'd rather they had chosen Josh Martin for the role of his fat form using his fat Buu tone). We got to sample William's voice for Janemba's second form in the Budokai Tenkaichi game, very good work from what I've seen, but doesn't make up for the fact is voice for fat Janemba is completely uncalled for.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:35 pm

Blitzen wrote:My reasoning for buying a Home Theatre system was so that I could see things as they were in the cinemas, not because I wanted to "see everything". While I realise I cannot have the entire "zomg wow cinema!!" experience, I'm atleast trying. Please stop putting words into my mouth, just because you disagree with my viewing habits.

Now lets not get too angry, but I do agree with you. I like the original 16:9 presentation better, mostly because that's how it was viewed when it was shown in Japanese theaters.

"But it's not full screen!!" I could care less, 4:3 isn't all it's made out to be. Yes, I may be missing some of the image but if you think about it... it was never meant to be seen in a 4:3 format. If it weren't for FUNimation, we'd have never known. Which is why Toei is releasing a 16:9 format, because it's how it was originally viewed in Japan. Maybe I'm the only one, but I don't go to the store and pick-up a Full Screen version of a movie that I saw Widescreen in theaters.

Conan the SSJ wrote:We got to sample William's voice for Janemba's second form in the Budokai Tenkaichi game, very good work from what I've seen, but doesn't make up for the fact is voice for fat Janemba is completely uncalled for.

From what I remember, Janenba's second form never speaks and his first form doesn't say anything worth while.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:40 pm

Does anyone know if this movie was dubbed a while back just never released?