Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

[sonikku956]

But Bulma has a history of twisting stories and please give me factual evidence by Toriyama-sensei himself.

Check out the interview with Tōru Furuya that was recently posted on the site.

I knew I needed to go back and read more than just a few select of those interviews, I miss out on stuff like this when I cherry pick.

That said, even if it's from Toriyama...I have a hard time believing Yamcha was really a cheater.[/quote]

Same here. If this is true, then maybe Yamcha cheated between the three year training period. He did want to marry Bulma, but it was obvious that she didn't want to.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Bulma said it, Toriyama said it, no one said otherwise... Yamcha really is a cheater after all.

[DBZAOTA482]

If ever or not Yamcha cheated, Bulma deserved it anyways.

[sonikku956]

Well, since Yamcha did in fact cheat, I would like to know when exactly he cheated. Now this doesn't mean Bulma is off the hook. After all, she has lusted for other men during their relationship. It stopped when she married Vegeta of course.

[TobyS]

It was BS imo.

Not only out of character for Yamcha who was scared of other women, only comfortable with Bulma due to the amount of time they had been together and the crazy bonding circumstances in which they met.

He couldn't have Bulma who was the older cast member of the two be the bad one, especially as she was going to be around with the saiyan brat he needed for plot purposes. Yamcha could just be discarded.

At least he is mentioned as having a girlfriend in the Cell arc, even thinks of using the dragonballs for getting her a present (at least in viz). So Toriyama threw that in there so his story doesn't end totally tragically.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Bulma said it, Toriyama said it, no one said otherwise... Yamcha really is a cheater after all.

That's just it though. While Toriyama saying it does seem a little more damning, I don't believe Bulma's side of the story at all. She was constantly accusing Yamcha of cheating on her with no actual proof, so we're magically to believe this was finally true just when she finally jumps ship to Vegeta? That and, I can't imagine how this story even came up when she was telling things to Trunks anyway.

Bulma: And then there was Yamcha, he was stronger than most humans but not the best out of our little crew. I did used to date him though, ever since I was a teenager actually, but yeah, h-
Trunks: Wait, what? You dated this guy before dad?
Bulma: Um...well, yeah. Yeah, I did.
Trunks: Huh. Why'd you break it off with him and end up with dad?
Bulma: Oh, uh, h-he cheated on me. Yeah. (Phew, that was a close one...I can't tell my teenage son that I jumped his dad just because I got bored with Yamcha...)

We're only ever shown Bulma's side of things, and even then it's only vaguely in background talk, so that doesn't make it very believable to me, at all. Besides, we'd already seen a lot of Yamcha getting tossed aside for story purposes (always losing in the Tournaments, being the first one to go down against the Saiyans, etc.), so when Toriyama needed a new Saiyan kid, why not just smack Yamcha around a little more too.

I'm not exactly a big Yamcha fan, but...yeah, it just doesn't sit well with me.

Now, I do believe there's one way Yamcha may have cheated, but even then I see it as equally Bulma's fault in a way. Perhaps she started in on her 'You're always cheating on me!' tirades again and Yamcha, tired of this, especially after having just come back to life and now coupled with how 'familiar' Bulma's already acting with Vegeta, has a moment of 'realization'. "Okay, you think I'm a cheater? That's really what you think of me, okay, FINE!" And then he went out and had a one-night stand with someone, and didn't bother hiding this from Bulma. This pushes Bulma over the edge and she shacks up with Vegeta. Is Yamcha still at fault in this version of the scenario? Yes. Is Bulma blameless though? No.

[Saiga]

It was BS imo.

Not only out of character for Yamcha who was scared of other women, only comfortable with Bulma due to the amount of time they had been together and the crazy bonding circumstances in which they met.

He couldn't have Bulma who was the older cast member of the two be the bad one, especially as she was going to be around with the saiyan brat he needed for plot purposes. Yamcha could just be discarded.

At least he is mentioned as having a girlfriend in the Cell arc, even thinks of using the dragonballs for getting her a present (at least in viz). So Toriyama threw that in there so his story doesn't end totally tragically.

He was afraid of women but... it took him what, a few days to get over that with Bulma? Once he started going to Bulma's school, the other girls started showing him attention and there wasn't any talk of him being afraid of them. The fact that he mentions a girlfriend in the Cell Arc should make it clear he got over his gynophobia in the ~16 years since he debuted.

[Gyt Kaliba]

He was afraid of women but... it took him what, a few days to get over that with Bulma? Once he started going to Bulma's school, the other girls started showing him attention and there wasn't any talk of him being afraid of them. The fact that he mentions a girlfriend in the Cell Arc should make it clear he got over his gynophobia in the ~16 years since he debuted.

Fair point - though there's no telling how long it actually took, since we don't see him again until the tournament starts up really, and that's a decent enough gap of time - but you also raise another point for my saying it's in Bulma's head. She started to get jealous over other girls suddenly being interested in him. That alone does not mean he was a cheater. Besides, can we really blame a guy for basking in the attention after all the years he had of freezing from contact with the opposite gender? Anyone would enjoy that kind of attention, but it doesn't mean they're going to be any more likely to cheat.

[Saiga]

He was afraid of women but... it took him what, a few days to get over that with Bulma? Once he started going to Bulma's school, the other girls started showing him attention and there wasn't any talk of him being afraid of them. The fact that he mentions a girlfriend in the Cell Arc should make it clear he got over his gynophobia in the ~16 years since he debuted.

Fair point - though there's no telling how long it actually took, since we don't see him again until the tournament starts up really, and that's a decent enough gap of time - but you also raise another point for my saying it's in Bulma's head. She started to get jealous over other girls suddenly being interested in him. That alone does not mean he was a cheater. Besides, can we really blame a guy for basking in the attention after all the years he had of freezing from contact with the opposite gender? Anyone would enjoy that kind of attention, but it doesn't mean they're going to be any more likely to cheat.

No, that doesn't make him a cheater... but that's not why she called him one. We're assuming that it was Bulma that told Trunks (who knows for sure?), and even if it was, this is Future Bulma, a much more mature version.

[Gyt Kaliba]

No, that doesn't make him a cheater... but that's not why she called him one. We're assuming that it was Bulma that told Trunks (who knows for sure?), and even if it was, this is Future Bulma, a much more mature version.

That's just it though, we don't know why she calls him a cheater for sure because it's never shown, so I'm left to assume she's delusional on that part.

Who else would have told him though? The first time he brings it up is when talking to Goku and explaining everything, and there's not really anybody else left in the future that could tell him about it, that would be in a position to at least (I can't see Chi Chi, Gyu-mao, Roshi, Oolong, or Puar - the ones we see to still be alive - telling him about it. Or Gohan for that matter.).

[Saiga]

No, that doesn't make him a cheater... but that's not why she called him one. We're assuming that it was Bulma that told Trunks (who knows for sure?), and even if it was, this is Future Bulma, a much more mature version.

That's just it though, we don't know why she calls him a cheater for sure because it's never shown, so I'm left to assume she's delusional on that part.

Who else would have told him though? The first time he brings it up is when talking to Goku and explaining everything, and there's not really anybody else left in the future that could tell him about it, that would be in a position to at least (I can't see Chi Chi, Gyu-mao, Roshi, Oolong, or Puar - the ones we see to still be alive - telling him about it. Or Gohan for that matter.).

I could see Gohan telling him about it, if Trunks asked. He might've been too embarrassed to ask his mother for details.

And the simplest assumption would be that she called him a cheater because he cheated on her.

[Ninja Murasaki]

No, that doesn't make him a cheater... but that's not why she called him one. We're assuming that it was Bulma that told Trunks (who knows for sure?), and even if it was, this is Future Bulma, a much more mature version.

That's just it though, we don't know why she calls him a cheater for sure because it's never shown, so I'm left to assume she's delusional on that part.

Who else would have told him though? The first time he brings it up is when talking to Goku and explaining everything, and there's not really anybody else left in the future that could tell him about it, that would be in a position to at least (I can't see Chi Chi, Gyu-mao, Roshi, Oolong, or Puar - the ones we see to still be alive - telling him about it. Or Gohan for that matter.).

I could see Gohan telling him about it, if Trunks asked. He might've been too embarrassed to ask his mother for details.

And the simplest assumption would be that she called him a cheater because he cheated on her.

Bulma was always trying to cheat on him in the first place anyway.

And why are you always attacking the humans or saying they suck? Don't you have better things to talk about, if you don't like them then why not keep it to yourself rather then loudly announce "Character B sucks as does anyone who likes them" on message boards?

[Saiga]

Bulma was always trying to cheat on him in the first place anyway.

And why are you always attacking the humans or saying they suck?

That's a blatant demonization of her.

And I'm not. Calling a Yamcha a cheater isn't attacking him, to see it as such is being far too defensive of him.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Bulma was always trying to cheat on him in the first place anyway.

And why are you always attacking the humans or saying they suck?

That's a blatant demonization of her.

And I'm not. Calling a Yamcha a cheater isn't attacking him, to see it as such is being far too defensive of him.

Demonization, we've seen Bulma attempt to cheat at Yamcha all through out DragonBall and DragonBall Z.

And again, why are you always attacking Yamcha while championing Bulma? She's constantly shown to be a selfish person.

Once again, why continually loudly announce "Character B sucks as does anyone who likes them" on this message board?

[Saiga]

Demonization, we've seen Bulma attempt to cheat at Yamcha all through out DragonBall and DragonBall Z.

And again, why are you always attacking Yamcha while championing Bulma? She's constantly shown to be a selfish person.

Once again, why continually loudly announce "Character B sucks as does anyone who likes them" on this message board?

No, we haven't. Not at all.

I'm not championing her at all, I just think people are making too many negative assumptions about her. And saying Yamcha cheated is not attacking him, as I already said.

And I have NEVER said that. Now you're putting words into my mouth.

You're being overly dramatic about the whole thing. You're asking if I don't have better things to do than attack the humans (which I'm not doing)? Well, don't you have better things to do than misinterpret my posts, put words in my mouth and then attack me for it?

[Ninja Murasaki]

Demonization, we've seen Bulma attempt to cheat at Yamcha all through out DragonBall and DragonBall Z.

And again, why are you always attacking Yamcha while championing Bulma? She's constantly shown to be a selfish person.

Once again, why continually loudly announce "Character B sucks as does anyone who likes them" on this message board?

No, we haven't. Not at all.

I'm not championing her at all, I just think people are making too many negative assumptions about her. And saying Yamcha cheated is not attacking him, as I already said.

And I have NEVER said that. Now you're putting words into my mouth.

You're being overly dramatic about the whole thing.

She said she'd do at the first tournament saga if given the chance, tried to grab General Blue's affections, wanted to do Zarbon even though she was with Yamcha, the list goes on and on.

You're always saying how much Yamcha and Chiaotzu suck, have avatars saying they suck, or that they're fans stink. Its getting real old and we're not interested.

No you're being obsessive about your hate for a fictional character.

[Saiga]

She said she'd do at the first tournament saga if given the chance, tried to grab General Blue's affections, wanted to do Zarbon even though she was with Yamcha, the list goes on and on.

You're always saying how much Yamcha and Chiaotzu suck, have avatars saying they suck, or that they're fans stink. Its getting real old and we're not interested.

No you're being obsessive about your hate for a fictional character.

How many of those times was it confirmed that she was still with Yamcha? She's broken it off with him multiple times. Plus, he was dead in the Namek arc.

And I might mock them, but that's all in good humour. It's like TFS ripping on them. I don't have avatars saying they suck, either: I've had one avatar of Vegeta punching him which I found humorous, and another from TFS's Dragon Ball Z Kai Abridged. If you have a problem with that they made fun of his death go and complaint to them about it.

And I've never said their fans stink. Still putting words in my mouth. If you're not interested, why are you continuously replying to my posts? Put me on your "foe" list and you'll never see a post of mine again. Problem solved.

I don't hate Yamcha. I don't even dislike him. I'm not going to walk on eggshells to avoid upsetting someone's feelings because they might take jokes about Yamcha the wrong way.

[Ninja Murasaki]

She said she'd do at the first tournament saga if given the chance, tried to grab General Blue's affections, wanted to do Zarbon even though she was with Yamcha, the list goes on and on.

You're always saying how much Yamcha and Chiaotzu suck, have avatars saying they suck, or that they're fans stink. Its getting real old and we're not interested.

No you're being obsessive about your hate for a fictional character.

How many of those times was it confirmed that she was still with Yamcha? She's broken it off with him multiple times. Plus, he was dead in the Namek arc.

And I might mock them, but that's all in good humour. It's like TFS ripping on them. I don't have avatars saying they suck, either: I've had one avatar of Vegeta punching him which I found humorous, and another from TFS's Dragon Ball Z Kai Abridged. If you have a problem with that they made fun of his death go and complaint to them about it.

And I've never said their fans stink. Still putting words in my mouth. If you're not interested, why are you continuously replying to my posts? Put me on your "foe" list and you'll never see a post of mine again. Problem solved.

I don't hate Yamcha. I don't even dislike him. I'm not going to walk on eggshells to avoid upsetting someone's feelings because they might take jokes about Yamcha the wrong way.

She was still with Yamcha in the namek arc, she was just pissed at him before he died over something stupid.

Then why do you rant about their fans and unequivocally argue they're canonically failures.

Finally, most don't find your "Character B and C suck posts" funny, most find it annoying. Abridged is at least funny about and makes fun of basically everyone. You just constantly go on and on about those characters and how much they stink in your mind.

[Saiga]

She was still with Yamcha in the namek arc, she was just pissed at him before he died over something stupid.

Then why do you rant about their fans and say they're unequivocally argue they're canonically failures.

Finally, most don't find your "Character B and C suck posts" funny, most find it annoying.

How can she be with him when he's dead? And even then, all she did was fawn over Zarbon's looks.

That sentence doesn't really make sense. But I don't rant on about their fans, I do mention that I find it annoying when they constantly stick up for them or make them out to be better than the story itself does. That is a far cry from saying they stink or that they suck.

And I don't see how you're in a position to speak for the majority. I don't nearly go on about them as much as you say.

[Ninja Murasaki]

She was still with Yamcha in the namek arc, she was just pissed at him before he died over something stupid.

Then why do you rant about their fans and say they're unequivocally argue they're canonically failures.

Finally, most don't find your "Character B and C suck posts" funny, most find it annoying.

How can she be with him when he's dead? And even then, all she did was fawn over Zarbon's looks.

That sentence doesn't really make sense. But I don't rant on about their fans, I do mention that I find it annoying when they constantly stick up for them or make them out to be better than the story itself does. That is a far cry from saying they stink or that they suck.

And I don't see how you're in a position to speak for the majority. I don't nearly go on about them as much as you say.

He was dead but could be revived and Bulma knew that. She spent the entire namek trip thinking of getting together with other men. She wanted Zarbon and didn't just fawn over his appearance. She's done this many other times in the series.

You bring them up "Character B sucks" into various unrelated conversations whenever they're mentioned here.

What your doing right now is ranting about their fans right now. Again, you have said multiple times they're canonly failures and horrible people in your mind. The thing is, no ones interested in hearing what you think of them yet again and its just annoying.