Since they didn't say anything about the continuities, it's logical to assume that the continuity splitting does not seem to be the case.
And how can Penguin Village be placed in a different continuity if we saw it in the manga?
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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No, it's not. It's not logical to assume they share continuities when such a thing is impossible.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Since they didn't say anything about the continuities, it's logical to assume that the continuity splitting does not seem to be the case.
And Dr. Slump is placed in a different continuity. Both Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball have a Penguin Village, that's simple. Just like both Dragon Ball and the movies have a Kame House, etc.
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Why do you take the gags so seriously? It's like debating how Goku was breathing in space in the manga. Dragon Ball has its gag moments that violates common sense as well.Saiga wrote:No, it's not. It's not logical to assume they share continuities when such a thing is impossible.
I disagree. Because, as a fan of Dr. Slump, it sucks badly that way.Saiga wrote:And Dr. Slump is placed in a different continuity. Both Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball have a Penguin Village, that's simple. Just like both Dragon Ball and the movies have a Kame House, etc.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Because it's not something you can just brush off as a gag. It doesn't make sense that way. And Goku breathing in space is a plothole, quite simply. There's no need to force Neko Majin and Dr. Slump in and creating more plotholes to it.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why do you take the gags so seriously? It's like debating how Goku was breathing in space in the manga. Dragon Ball has its gag moments that violates common sense as well.Saiga wrote:No, it's not. It's not logical to assume they share continuities when such a thing is impossible.
How? I like Dr. Slump and that doesn't mean it has to take place in Dragon Ball's continuity. As a Dragon Ball fan, it sucks badly that way because it doesn't fit the tone.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I disagree. Because, as a fan of Dr. Slump, it sucks badly that way.Saiga wrote:And Dr. Slump is placed in a different continuity. Both Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball have a Penguin Village, that's simple. Just like both Dragon Ball and the movies have a Kame House, etc.
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Gags are not meant to make sense.Saiga wrote:Because it's not something you can just brush off as a gag. It doesn't make sense that way. And Goku breathing in space is a plothole, quite simply. There's no need to force Neko Majin and Dr. Slump in and creating more plotholes to it.
... I want the Arale I know in my Dragon Ball, not a robot that looks like her.Saiga wrote:How? I like Dr. Slump and that doesn't mean it has to take place in Dragon Ball's continuity. As a Dragon Ball fan, it sucks badly that way because it doesn't fit the tone.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I say we kill the non-believer. That's my Shinobi way!Gonstead wrote:Exactly, though the person who said that statement believes Naruto doesn't fall into that category.Hellspawn28 wrote:You could say that for every franchise that exist.Gonstead wrote:"Dragon Ball was only made to sell merchandise."
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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Calling something a gag isn't enough to dismiss problems created by it in a serious series. It works fine for Dr. Slump which is a gag manga through-and-through, but Dragon Ball was only a gag series in the beginning, and didn't stay like that for long.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Gags are not meant to make sense.Saiga wrote:Because it's not something you can just brush off as a gag. It doesn't make sense that way. And Goku breathing in space is a plothole, quite simply. There's no need to force Neko Majin and Dr. Slump in and creating more plotholes to it.
And I want the story to be logical and cohesive.... I want the Arale I know in my Dragon Ball, not a robot that looks like her.
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Anyway, let's just agree that we disagree. You take gags as plot-holes, while I take them as funny shit that don't mean shit to the story.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Who would win between Goku and Superman and Broly is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Super Boo is something I never want to hear again.
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I just laugh at it. I watched it twice. Once when I was younger for laughs, and more recently with TeamFourStar riff tracking it. Of Course I watched it online because it was a piece of shit movie. I only buy good movies and games.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Honestly if I see any copy of the DBE I feel the need to destroy it. I sat there awestruck after I finished that worthless piece of shit. Its far lower on the shitty scale that 8,001 copies of Sonic 06. I just f***ing hate that movie .
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People over react to DBE and it's annoying sometimes. It's not like the movie was going to be good in the first place. The trailer alone gives you the idea it was going to suck. At least The Last Airbender look promising when they show off the teaser back in 2009.
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I agree with that, and also I would like to add "Gohan vs. Dabra SSJ1/SSJ2".SSJ4_Zankuto wrote:Who would win between Goku and Superman and Broly is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Super Boo is something I never want to hear again.
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"The voice actors for the Funimation dub never improved until the Buu saga/the dub of DBK." The voice actors were already starting to show a tiny improvement when Trunks showed up. By the time the Cell arc came around they were really starting to get the hang of it.
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Gohan saying "you big bully" I mean just call them a jerk or something and people saying that dodoria could win against say super saiyan 4 goku because they won that battle in a video game
It's actually over 8000 vegeta
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- Super 17 saga (GT). That saga was awful and was an overall bad concept. At least the Baby and Shadow Dragon sagas had potentials (which were unfortunately wasted, especially the former).
- Nozawa's voice acting for adult Goku. Kid Goku I can understand, but I can't stand to listen to her voice 23rd Budokai Tournament and up.
- Goku and Vegeta in a "romantic relationship". One of the most cringe-worthy things I have seen in the fandom. Putting them in a relationship, when there's no indication of homosexuality between any of the Z-fighters and that both would sooner kill each other, mixes worse than oil and water.
- Nozawa's voice acting for adult Goku. Kid Goku I can understand, but I can't stand to listen to her voice 23rd Budokai Tournament and up.
- Goku and Vegeta in a "romantic relationship". One of the most cringe-worthy things I have seen in the fandom. Putting them in a relationship, when there's no indication of homosexuality between any of the Z-fighters and that both would sooner kill each other, mixes worse than oil and water.
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Your preferences are your own, of course. But there is a trope for that called "Foe yay". http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FoeYay/Animeastarisborn94 wrote: - Goku and Vegeta in a "romantic relationship". One of the most cringe-worthy things I have seen in the fandom. Putting them in a relationship, when there's no indication of homosexuality between any of the Z-fighters and that both would sooner kill each other, mixes worse than oil and water.
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Vegeta from Dragon Ball Z certainly seems to have this level of obsession with the main character Goku, although it isn't shared. Also of note is that another villain, Freeza, is prone to this in the US dub, both being voiced by a woman with a raspy old lady voice (like a flapper?), and using blatant sexual innuendo towards Goku.
- Oh sure. People always talk about Vegeta's obsession with Goku, but which one of them had a visualization of the other completely nude?
- In the Japanese version, when Vegeta is naked and taking a shower, he stares up at the showerhead and says Goku's name. That is all.
- In the non-canonical movie, Vegeta hilariously shouts "Kakarotto Wa Ore No Mono Da!!" when Android 13 is beating his rival to death, and charges in to protect Goku. The context of this sentence is "Kakaroto is MY PREY hands off him", but "Ore No Mono Da" is usually used by jealous ex-boyfriends to say "belongs to me".
- While we're on the subject of Goku and Vegeta, why hasn't the Ki bondage that Maijin Vegeta did to Goku during the Buu Saga been mentioned yet?
Just posting for educational purposes. At this point, it's not too surprising to see the idea of them together.
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I haven't even bothered to watch it. Not even when it came out did it appeal to my interest.dbzfan7 wrote:I just laugh at it. I watched it twice. Once when I was younger for laughs, and more recently with TeamFourStar riff tracking it. Of Course I watched it online because it was a piece of shit movie. I only buy good movies and games.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Honestly if I see any copy of the DBE I feel the need to destroy it. I sat there awestruck after I finished that worthless piece of shit. Its far lower on the shitty scale that 8,001 copies of Sonic 06. I just f***ing hate that movie .
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@Sinestro That is actually a pretty bad section, like most "shipping" sections on TVTropes are. Using the filler energy ring attack Maouji Vegeta used as proof of subtext? Ugh.
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Wow, I never understood the purpose of TV tropes.... What is it? Some weird Pop Culture encyclopaedia for weirdos from universities?
There is really some weird and non-interesting stuff there.
There is really some weird and non-interesting stuff there.
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Ironically, it's fueled almost entirely by anime-only material.Saiga wrote:@Sinestro That is actually a pretty bad section, like most "shipping" sections on TVTropes are. Using the filler energy ring attack Maouji Vegeta used as proof of subtext? Ugh.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.