Gotenks Speed?

[MisterFlashdude]

Preach it to 'em, Desirecampbell! You can't always trust wikipedia, and sometimes the people who know better need to step up and edit a few things!

[Sypheran]

Um, that's not how Wikipedia works - almost all the posts are made by anonymous IPs.

Dude, I know how Wikipedia works, that is how it works. When you edit something on Wikipedia it goes into an alert file kinda thing, then the alert is checked by admin/moderators and if there isn't any proof for what someone edited, then the edit is deleted and the persons IP address get's a warning. Then if you do it again the IP address get's banned from editing material on the site.

I know how it works, I'm a member and I've tried to edit false material onto there before and got the warning! Don't try and tell me that it's false. Just cause you don't want to believe what's on there doesn't mean it's not true, it just means your stubborn.

And if the one who put "36 times in one minute" had any proof, he should actually use it.

Well, whoever did put that up must've had proof, or else it would've been deleted!

I'm sure the 8 year old consulted the dictionary before bragging about being super-fast

Just because he was 8 doesn't mean he didn't know how long a nap was, ask anyone how long a nap is, they'll probably tell you between a half and hour and two hours! It's common sence.

Several seconds. Even if it was just 2 seconds instead of one, that would half the speed. If they're going to give any specific time, they better make sure it's accurate.

That's the anime, the manga depicted him as being much faster than that. Also, the anime, if anything, slows down images for the view to see. So most likly that was a slown scene of Gotenks going around the planet 9 times.

If it took "one second" to traverse the equator "thirty six times" I doubt the distance between there and Kami's palace is even worth mentioning.

Just because someone is as fast as they are, doesn't mean that they always go that fast. Nimbus is stated to go Mach 3 (or was it 5...), and Gohan easily outflew Nimbus like it was nothing. Yet it takes 20 mintues for Gohan to get to school, now is that because he can't fly fast? No (since he easily went faster then the speed of sound), it just means that he didn't feel like going at his top speed to get to school.

If light takes one second to go around the earth eight times, and it takes Gotenks "several seconds" to do the same thing, then Gotenks is SLOWER.

And for God's sake, use a period.

Again, the anime slows images down for the view to see them and the manga clearly depicts Gotenks to be faster then how he is in the anime.

And just so you know, "." is a period, and their all over my posts. I use periods quite a bit.

[MisterFlashdude]

Well, whoever did put that up must've had proof, or else it would've been deleted!

...eh, Not really. I'm a member too, and I've come across some crazy comments on wikipedia (Such as '[This character] is a candy-ass faggot who can't do shit!') and had to take it upon myself to do some editing. Maybe you don't quite understand as much about the process as you think you do.

[Sypheran]

Well, whoever did put that up must've had proof, or else it would've been deleted!

...eh, Not really. I'm a member too, and I've come across some crazy comments on wikipedia (Such as '[This character] is a candy-ass faggot who can't do shit!') and had to take it upon myself to do some editing. Maybe you don't quite understand as much about the process as you think you do.

I never said that the stuff isn't posted on the web, it is, but the edit still goes into an alert file that the moderators get and then fix. It can take anywhere from a day to a week for the edit to be reverted back, but it still is.

Now, you can't say that that must've been what the Gotenks speed was because I didn't ask the question in here until about a week or two after I saw it in Wiki (I waited to see if the moderators edited it back, and since they didn't that means that there's proff somewhere that Gotenks actually went that fast...)

[desirecampbell]

Don't try and tell me that it's false. Just cause you don't want to believe what's on there doesn't mean it's not true, it just means your stubborn.

That quote shows that you are stubborn. Seriously, the handful of administrators at Wikipedia do not read over every article. They just don't. I don't know what you think you know, but I'd consider revising it.

Well, whoever did put that up must've had proof, or else it would've been deleted!

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Firstly, it was deleted - thank you Flashdude - and secondly, just because someone said it on the internet, doesn't mean it's true.

Just because he was 8 doesn't mean he didn't know how long a nap was, ask anyone how long a nap is, they'll probably tell you between a half and hour and two hours! It's common sence.

No, it's a child bragging about how fast he is. There's no reason to even think he had a nap. He probably just said it to sound fast.
And you're forgetting that fusion only lasts half an hour, so the "nap" wouldn't be a nap, as defined by the dictionary.
And for the record, a "nap" is a "short rest". That could mean 2 seconds or 2 hours - as long as you consider it "short".

That's the anime, the manga depicted him as being much faster than that.

Um, the Manga didn't convey a time at all. It was just a single panel. You can't possible think you can prove one panel equals one second.

Also, the anime, if anything, slows down images for the view to see. So most likely that was a slown scene of Gotenks going around the planet 9 times.

Again, there's no reason to think that. You're talking out of your ass.

Just because someone is as fast as they are, doesn't mean that they always go that fast. Nimbus is stated to go Mach 3 (or was it 5...),

That's true, they regularly go much slower than they're capable of - but where did it ever say that Nimbus could go Mach 3? You're not getting that out of the Talsorian RPG are you?

Again, the anime slows images down for the view to see them and the manga clearly depicts Gotenks to be faster then how he is in the anime.

Again, how? How does a single image portray an exact speed? You, again, don't know what you're talking about.

And just so you know, "." is a period, and their all over my posts. I use periods quite a bit.

You used 18 'dots', three dots make an ellipsis, you used six ellipsis - those are not periods.


I never said that the stuff isn't posted on the web, it is, but the edit still goes into an alert file that the moderators get and then fix. It can take anywhere from a day to a week for the edit to be reverted back, but it still is.

Now, you can't say that that must've been what the Gotenks speed was because I didn't ask the question in here until about a week or two after I saw it in Wiki (I waited to see if the moderators edited it back, and since they didn't that means that there's proff somewhere that Gotenks actually went that fast...)

Christ... you have no idea what you're talking about. The moderators do not look over every article - they don't - they don't - they don't.

And you're still spelling it "proff", it's "proof".

[VegettoEX]

I've read all of two posts in this thread, and it clearly needs to be flagged.

Keep it under control, written accurately, written with a purpose, and written nicely... or don't write at all.

[tarsonis]

Wow. The Gotenks Wikipedia article needs some major cleanup. I'm doing what I can with it, but I'm only about a fourth through it.

[Duo]

Considering the mass of all the combined articles on Wikipedia, I somehow doubt a team of Administrators can fact-check everything - thousands of articles probably get edited everyday.

Also, they would need an expert on every fictional and non-fictional universe in existence.

Utterly impossible.

This is why they really on every-day people to check and edit things, while checking as many as possible to keep out complete idiots. However, they would have no reason to question the statement on Gotenks speed because it sounds perfectly fine to someone who doesn't know Dragon Ball that well...or, even someone who know's it that well. It's such an insignificant little detail that hardly anyone, outside this board, would care.

On subject - there's really no way to prove exactly how fast he went, because most of the "evidence" falls into "matter of opinion".

[Xyex]

I never said that the stuff isn't posted on the web, it is, but the edit still goes into an alert file that the moderators get and then fix. It can take anywhere from a day to a week for the edit to be reverted back, but it still is.

Actually, no. Visitors and only visitors edit the pages. The admins and mods don't edit *anything* for factuality, unless they happen to encounter it and edit it like every other visitor can. If someone 'grafities' an article, that's a different matter. Then the mods will revert to a previous entry and warn or ban the user/IP. But that's it.

[Casual Matt]

Again, the anime slows images down for the view to see them and the manga clearly depicts Gotenks to be faster then how he is in the anime.

Again, how? How does a single image portray an exact speed? You, again, don't know what you're talking about.

This confuses me as well.

Also, please refrain from insulting each other about stuff like use of punctuation. I know I'm far from a mod, but c'mon.

Anyway...

I think it's safe to say that Wikipedia isn't the most reliable souce for accurate information. It should be used as a quick reference. Not end all be all truth.

I'm going to University and most Profs here would probably castrate anybody who uses Wikipedia as a source for any information.

Now, I'm not saying I want to write a doctoral thesis on the speed of Dragon Ball Z characters, but for the sake of argument, you have to realize that Wikipedia is not always correct.

Or, you know, we can just believe everything we read on the internet.

[yakonojo]

I was hoping to see the original japanese scan to know what gotenks actually said. But how can you tell that he really went full speed? I mean if you sprint, you'd at least have to be out of breath... (So maybe he really took a nap there?)
For example, when goku rushes to face vegeta and nappa, he was completely exhausted. He even needed a senzu bean (well he was going full speed for more than a day, so it looks more like a marathon to me than a sprint...even goku couldn't be at fullspeed for a day, isn't that just common sense?)

[Hitiro]

I was hoping to see the original japanese scan to know what gotenks actually said. But how can you tell that he really went full speed? I mean if you sprint, you'd at least have to be out of breath... (So maybe he really took a nap there?)
For example, when goku rushes to face vegeta and nappa, he was completely exhausted. He even needed a senzu bean (well he was going full speed for more than a day, so it looks more like a marathon to me than a sprint...even goku couldn't be at fullspeed for a day, isn't that just common sense?)

You could just check the strength checker Herms has.

Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P9.3-8
Context: Piccolo finally catches up to Gotenks
Gotenks: “You’re slow. So you finally got here? Besides circling around the Earth several times, I even took a little afternoon nap. [ ] Fuffuffuh…So you can’t tell just from my speed just now? My super-duper incredible power…! …Which is to say that the test is over, and I’m going to go take care of that annoying Majin Boo right away…”
*Gotenks takes off*
Piccolo: “H-hey, you idiot! Kuh…! Wh-what a shithead…H-he already has only 1 minute left that he can stay merged. That dimwhit…!”

Also, if we assume that the minimum, being 5 circulations of the Earth(as that is how many circulations there are in the manga), was done by Gotenks and we allot a nap of 15-20 mins Gotenks would have to have been going at just over mach 1,000 to be spare of 1 minute before the fusion is undone. Considering the Speed of light is mach 881,000 I see no reason why Gotenks wasn't travelling at mach 1,000+

[TobyS]

You also forget that if Gotenks really did fall asleep for more then a few seconds Piccolo would have easily caught up to him, rather than right near the end of their fusion.

[TheMightyOzaru]

All we see in the manga is multiple trails of Aura around the Earth. Its never stated how many time Gotenks flew around the Earth or how long it took him. However in the Viz manga translation its state that Gotenk's took a nap to wait for Piccolo. It could be a mistranslation though so we need Herms' confirmation. I believe characters can fight at FTL speeds and can move at speeds FTL when moving in short bursts because that eats very little Ki. However I have a hard time believing Gotenks, or anyone for that matter, can travel faster than light because that would eat a ton of Ki. Ill just settle on massively hypersonic.

[VegettoEX]

Guys, this thread was from 2006. I don't even know how you dig up things like this.