Dragonball GT is born due to a plot hole

DevilsAlwaysCry · Post by **DevilsAlwaysCry** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:02 am

I just remembered something that I found interesting. It has to do with DBGT. I was watching the end of DBZ and it was at the part where Dende wished that everyone on earth that wasn't evil, to be brought back to life. I then remembered that at the start of DBGT, Emperor Pilaf is present. He isn't a "good guy" at all In fact, he tried to conquer the world and has tried to harm people doing so. He wasn't revived at the end of DBZ because he is evil (well he shouldn't have been revived). How could I miss that? Has anyone else noticed this? I have never seen it mentioned anywhere at all online.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:41 am

DevilsAlwaysCry wrote:I just remembered something that I found interesting. It has to do with DBGT. I was watching the end of DBZ and it was at the part where Dende wished that everyone on earth that wasn't evil, to be brought back to life. I then remembered that at the start of DBGT, Emperor Pilaf is present. He isn't a "good guy" at all In fact, he tried to conquer the world and has tried to harm people doing so. He wasn't revived at the end of DBZ because he is evil (well he shouldn't have been revived). How could I miss that? Has anyone else noticed this? I have never seen it mentioned anywhere at all online.

Oddly, I've heard this discussed many times...but I guess the board it was at doesn't have all that archived.

But yeah, you're right, GT is a giant plothole, if only just for that.

DevilsAlwaysCry · Post by **DevilsAlwaysCry** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:45 am

Duo wrote:
DevilsAlwaysCry wrote:I just remembered something that I found interesting. It has to do with DBGT. I was watching the end of DBZ and it was at the part where Dende wished that everyone on earth that wasn't evil, to be brought back to life. I then remembered that at the start of DBGT, Emperor Pilaf is present. He isn't a "good guy" at all In fact, he tried to conquer the world and has tried to harm people doing so. He wasn't revived at the end of DBZ because he is evil (well he shouldn't have been revived). How could I miss that? Has anyone else noticed this? I have never seen it mentioned anywhere at all online.
Oddly, I've heard this discussed many times...but I guess the board it was at doesn't have all that archived.

But yeah, you're right, GT is a giant plothole, if only just for that.

Oh really? I am sorry for then posting about it if it is a well known fact. I just never heard about it. Thanks for not getting on my ass about it though. I wonder if anyone else didn't know about it though (like I didn't).

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:46 am

DevilsAlwaysCry wrote: How could I miss that? Has anyone else noticed this? I have never seen it mentioned anywhere at all online.

Check out Dragonball Arena:

http://dragonballarena.gamesurf.it/english/errori.php

Once you get down to the mistakes on the GT section, there's an essay worth of writing!

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:47 am

It's been mentioned here before, there was a bit of debate about whether or not Pilaf was really that bad, and if he might be considered 'good' because he's never really suceeded at doing anything really terrible.

The general concenous was "meh, GT..."

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:50 am

Go back and watch Dragon Ball. Pilaf is more of a goofball who "thinks" he's a badguy who can't even pull off being evil.

DevilsAlwaysCry · Post by **DevilsAlwaysCry** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:19 am

Tsukento wrote:Go back and watch Dragon Ball. Pilaf is more of a goofball who "thinks" he's a badguy who can't even pull off being evil.

He may be a dumbass, but he did release Piccolo Daimao from containment (which in turn killed hundreds of people). It's kinda like selling drugs to someone, you may not kill them but you did help.

Ricochet0082 · Post by **Ricochet0082** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:36 am

I think of Dragon Ball GT as an alternate reality, just like the Dragon Ball Z films. Dragon Ball and DBZ is one reality and all 13 DBZ films and DBGT is a different reality. The Dragon Fist, Trunks' sword, and a few other things point to a connection between the movies and DBGT. It's easier on my brain to think about GT this way.

_Jrinu_ · Post by **_Jrinu_** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:09 am

DevilsAlwaysCry wrote:I just remembered something that I found interesting. It has to do with DBGT. I was watching the end of DBZ and it was at the part where Dende wished that everyone on earth that wasn't evil, to be brought back to life. I then remembered that at the start of DBGT, Emperor Pilaf is present. He isn't a "good guy" at all In fact, he tried to conquer the world and has tried to harm people doing so. He wasn't revived at the end of DBZ because he is evil (well he shouldn't have been revived). How could I miss that? Has anyone else noticed this? I have never seen it mentioned anywhere at all online.

But wait...

Did Pilaf ever actually die? I don't recal it happening. Unless it was Piccolo Daimao, but I don't think he did it.

future_trunks · Post by **future_trunks** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:14 am

_Jrinu_ wrote: Did Pilaf ever actually die? I don't recal it happening. Unless it was Piccolo Daimao, but I don't think he did it.

Either way Pilaf would have been killed by Majin Buu.

_Jrinu_ · Post by **_Jrinu_** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:24 am

future_trunks wrote:
_Jrinu_ wrote: Did Pilaf ever actually die? I don't recal it happening. Unless it was Piccolo Daimao, but I don't think he did it.
Either way Pilaf would have been killed by Majin Buu.

Ooh that's right I didn't think of that...

Does anyone know if he was shown in hell when they were watching the Buu fight?

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:29 am

_Jrinu_ wrote:
future_trunks wrote:
_Jrinu_ wrote: Did Pilaf ever actually die? I don't recal it happening. Unless it was Piccolo Daimao, but I don't think he did it.
Either way Pilaf would have been killed by Majin Buu.
Ooh that's right I didn't think of that...

Does anyone know if he was shown in hell when they were watching the Buu fight?

I don't think he was.

But ya know, If I was Enma and Pilaf showed up, I'd probably send the little twerp onto Heaven, because of how pathetic he is as a villian.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:04 pm

_Jrinu_ wrote: But wait...

Did Pilaf ever actually die? I don't recal it happening. Unless it was Piccolo Daimao, but I don't think he did it.

At first I thought he did in the manga because for the longest time, I didn't notice the panel where they show they did survive being thrown out of the airship.

Also the whole black star balls wouldn't work as if Piccolo could have been able to create D-balls before the split, he would've after refusing instead of going through the trouble to get Dende.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:20 pm

Super Sonic wrote:
_Jrinu_ wrote: But wait...

Did Pilaf ever actually die? I don't recal it happening. Unless it was Piccolo Daimao, but I don't think he did it.
At first I thought he did in the manga because for the longest time, I didn't notice the panel where they show they did survive being thrown out of the airship.

Also the whole black star balls wouldn't work as if Piccolo could have been able to create D-balls before the split, he would've after refusing instead of going through the trouble to get Dende.

There's nothing that says he couldn't (I believe) either before his split or after his re-merger. What sense would it make for him to make a set of Dragonballs? He's always out on the front lines fighting so it'd be pretty easy for them to be lost again.

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:37 pm

I would say Pilaf is pretty evil, I mean, he tried to fry Gokuh and the gang in his oven room. Just because he's never very successful doesn't mean he's any less evil than other villains. He steals, tortures, and has hopes of oppressing all the poeple of the world. If that's not evil, what is?

DevilsAlwaysCry · Post by **DevilsAlwaysCry** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:47 pm

Mr. Announcer wrote:I would say Pilaf is pretty evil, I mean, he tried to fry Gokuh and the gang in his oven room. Just because he's never very successful doesn't mean he's any less evil than other villains. He steals, tortures, and has hopes of oppressing all the poeple of the world. If that's not evil, what is?

Yeah that's what I thought. People that say he isn't evil is the same as saying a man who tried to rape a woman but wasn't successful, isn't evil (ofcorse, one is much more serious then the other, but it is the same idea).

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:22 pm

Well, this doesn't neccessarily make all of GT a plothole, just Goku's being turned into a kid... and all the other crap surrounding the Blackstar Balls... which is a fairly large portion of GT... >_<

And yes, when you think about it, Pilaf is more just mischievous than evil...

Oy, yeah, first post in Arizona wit' muh Aunt n' Uncle. It's hot over here. Too freakin' hot.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:32 pm

This topic could go on forever

. There are many many plot holes in Dragonball, Dragonball Z, and Dragonball GT. It's common for people to just point out GT because there was no corresponding manga.

DB_Fan · Post by **DB_Fan** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:34 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:This topic could go on forever . There are many many plot holes in Dragonball, Dragonball Z, and Dragonball GT. It's common for people to just point out GT because there was no corresponding manga.

Every show on television has plotholes.

DevilsAlwaysCry · Post by **DevilsAlwaysCry** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:14 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:This topic could go on forever . There are many many plot holes in Dragonball, Dragonball Z, and Dragonball GT. It's common for people to just point out GT because there was no corresponding manga.

That is true, but none as significant as this one. All of GT would have never happened if not for this plot hole.

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