Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[B]

Super Saiyan 3 is very much a form of its time, as if video games haven't cemented that. A serious, played-completely-straight scene where someone, anyone not Goku or Gotenks, achieves the form, and I'm supposed to be impressed? I'd say there were a lot of reasons the manga proper wraps with that; some melodramatic, overwrought power-up scene couldn't be further removed from what the series' strengths are. It's why Super Saiyan 4 was a dud; I really wish people would stop pretending this cheesy monkey man story was anything less or more than just that.

Disclaimer: I haven't seen the film yet, but it's at least a step in the right direction that stronger forms are achieved through more convoluted methods. We've exhausted new transformations for emotional effect, and it stays in line with how the by the end of the manga, we are literally combining characters with magic dancing and earrings in order to get stronger. They've maxed out their EXP guages. Training is over.

[Vice]

Super Saiyan 3 is very much a form of its time, as if video games haven't cemented that. A serious, played-completely-straight scene where someone, anyone not Goku or Gotenks, achieves the form, and I'm supposed to be impressed? I'd say there were a lot of reasons the manga proper wraps with that; some melodramatic, overwrought power-up scene couldn't be further removed from what the series' strengths are.

Are you kidding me? The entire series is based on power-ups and transformations.

It's why Super Saiyan 4 was a dud; I really wish people would stop pretending this cheesy monkey man story was anything less or more than just that.

Super Saiyan 4 was a dud because Dragon Ball GT was a dud.

Disclaimer: I haven't seen the film yet, but it's at least a step in the right direction that stronger forms are achieved through more convoluted methods. We've exhausted new transformations for emotional effect, and it stays in line with how the by the end of the manga, we are literally combining characters with magic dancing and earrings in order to get stronger. They've maxed out their EXP guages. Training is over.

Except it's not convoluted. They form a circle, hold hands, power up and Goku absorbs their energy. That's basically it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Since Vegeta is likely to get his own movie (Toriyama said that there are no plans, but I don't buy that it was mentioned by coincidence), so we may learn more things about his rage boost.

[Low Tone G]

Since Vegeta is likely to get his own movie (Toriyama said that there are no plans, but I don't buy that it was mentioned by coincidence), so we may learn more things about his rage boost.

I agree. I doubt Vegeta will get the SSj God transformation. I think it's time to get rid of potential debates, as Hybrids or Full-blooded saiyans have higher power increasing potential. I really hope Toriyama gave a thought to this issue.

[MrKaytos]

Well, it's official. Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods (renamed as Dragon Ball Z La batalla de los dioses) will be screened in Spain from 30th Mai on, thanks to Alfa Pictures and Selecta Visión. The main plan consists of screening the film in Cataluña from 30th Mai to 1st June. Taking into account the success in that area, the movie will be screened in the rest of the country.

Here you are the official poster and the promotional flyers:







Here you can see the original source: http://www.misiontokyo.com/noticias/138 ... el-estreno and the video that explains how hard was to bring the film to Spain by means of fan's pressure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWkwaicf8DU

[Freeza Soldier #156]

Ugh, more Bills. Maestro Tortuga made me laugh but I do like it.

[JeffJarrett]

Beerus is exclusive to the English version of Battle of Z.

[Flame Dragon]

Ugh, more Bills.

It's not like they have a reason to care to change it. From their point of view, they are just following Toei's instructions.
Blame them if anything else.

[Freeza Soldier #156]

Ugh, more Bills.

It's not like they have a reason to care to change it. From their point of view, they are just following Toei's instructions.
Blame them if anything else.

Not throwing any blame around. The name just makes no sense based on the origin of the pun. I'm not saying it's their fault. I understand why it's still being used; doesn't mean I have to like it.

[UltimateHammerBro]

Ugh, more Bills. Maestro Tortuga made me laugh but I do like it.

A few of the names in the posters are wrong. The Spanish names are "Freezer", "Boo Boo", "Kaito" and "Duende Tortuga".
I like the idea of Majin Boo getting his proper name, and maybe Kaioh, but I won't be able to cope if I hear "Freeza" in Spanish.

[Freeza Soldier #156]

Ugh, more Bills. Maestro Tortuga made me laugh but I do like it.

A few of the names in the posters are wrong. The Spanish names are "Freezer", "Boo Boo", "Kaito" and "Duende Tortuga".
I like the idea of Majin Boo getting his proper name, and maybe Kaioh, but I won't be able to cope if I hear "Freeza" in Spanish.

I'm confused. What do you mean that a few names on the poster are wrong? All of the names on the poster are the correct names (with the exception of Bills/Beerus and to a lesser extent, I suppose, Krilin). Are you just saying that they are using different names than they were previously and that's why they are wrong? If the names you listed are the names that have been used previously, then that would mean the old names are wrong and the names on the poster are actually correct.

[El Diabeetus]

Ugh, more Bills. Maestro Tortuga made me laugh but I do like it.

A few of the names in the posters are wrong. The Spanish names are "Freezer", "Boo Boo", "Kaito" and "Duende Tortuga".
I like the idea of Majin Boo getting his proper name, and maybe Kaioh, but I won't be able to cope if I hear "Freeza" in Spanish.

Don't see what would be so bad about keeping Freeza over Freezer. The character's name written out in Katakana is フリーザ、which is Freeza. Freezer would be フリーザー. Seeing Bills keep popping up is annoying, not the guy's name. Luckily won't be a problem in the English version at least. The Spanish dubs are just as strange about names as FUNimation is. Just with different characters though.

[UltimateHammerBro]

I'm confused. What do you mean that a few names on the poster are wrong? All of the names on the poster are the correct names (with the exception of Bills/Beerus and to a lesser extent, I suppose, Krilin). Are you just saying that they are using different names than they were previously and that's why they are wrong? If the names you listed are the names that have been used previously, then that would mean the old names are wrong and the names on the poster are actually correct.

The names in the poster are correct in English, but other countries have been using different romanizations for ages (btw, Krilin is correctly spelled). Some changes would be nice (as I said, Majin Boo for instance) but others don't sound right. English names don't have to be correct for all languages.

Don't see what would be so bad about keeping Freeza over Freezer. The character's name written out in Katakana is フリーザ、which is Freeza. Freezer would be フリーザー. Seeing Bills keep popping up is annoying, not the guy's name. Luckily won't be a problem in the English version at least. The Spanish dubs are just as strange about names as FUNimation is. Just with different characters though.

The name itself was a word play with the word "Freezer" so there is nothing wrong with it being used either. He has been called Freeza in both Spanish versions for over twenty years. It wouldn't be "keeping Freeza", but "changing a well-established name, just because". Some names in the poster (namely "Kaioh", "Freeza" and "Maestro Tortuga") look like the guy writing the text just made a quick Google search and entered the first result.

Now imagine how it would be if FUNimation started using "Kaioh" or "Master Turtle" (or even "Master Muten"). Would you like the changes, even though they are a lot more correct than the names English-speaking fans are accustomed to?

[dbboxkaifan]

Well, it's official. Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods (renamed as Dragon Ball Z La batalla de los dioses) will be screened in Spain from 30th Mai on, thanks to Alfa Pictures and Selecta Visión. The main plan consists of screening the film in Cataluña from 30th Mai to 1st June. Taking into account the success in that area, the movie will be screened in the rest of the country.

Here you are the official poster and the promotional flyers:

I'm sorry to ask, but on the bottom left is that Gohan or Goku? I can see Goku's above but I'm confused whether that's meant to be Goku or Gohan.

The poster from Majin Boo's arc in Kai has the same problem of making Goku look like Gohan.

[TheRed259]

It's Super Saiyan Gohan.

[Freeza Soldier #156]

I'm confused. What do you mean that a few names on the poster are wrong? All of the names on the poster are the correct names (with the exception of Bills/Beerus and to a lesser extent, I suppose, Krilin). Are you just saying that they are using different names than they were previously and that's why they are wrong? If the names you listed are the names that have been used previously, then that would mean the old names are wrong and the names on the poster are actually correct.

The names in the poster are correct in English, but other countries have been using different romanizations for ages (btw, Krilin is correctly spelled). Some changes would be nice (as I said, Majin Boo for instance) but others don't sound right. English names don't have to be correct for all languages.

Don't see what would be so bad about keeping Freeza over Freezer. The character's name written out in Katakana is フリーザ、which is Freeza. Freezer would be フリーザー. Seeing Bills keep popping up is annoying, not the guy's name. Luckily won't be a problem in the English version at least. The Spanish dubs are just as strange about names as FUNimation is. Just with different characters though.

The name itself was a word play with the word "Freezer" so there is nothing wrong with it being used either. He has been called Freeza in both Spanish versions for over twenty years. It wouldn't be "keeping Freeza", but "changing a well-established name, just because". Some names in the poster (namely "Kaioh", "Freeza" and "Maestro Tortuga") look like the guy writing the text just made a quick Google search and entered the first result.

Freezer isn't so bad seeing as it, and Freeza, are basically a pun on the same thing. I prefer Freeza over Freezer, just my preference, and as Furanki pointed out it is spelled Freeza in the original Katakana. I won't talk about Majin Boo and Kaioh seeing as how you have acknowledged those as being correct over "Boo Boo" and "Kaito". I am really struggling with "Duende Tortuga". From what I can see most people agree that the translation of Duende is "having passion, spirit, or soul". I've also found people who translate it as something magical, like a fairy. If these are correct then the translation of "Duende Tortuga" could be anything from Passionate Turtle to Fairy Turtle (or Turtle Fairy) which isn't correct at all. "Maestro Tortuga" on the other hand literally means Master Turtle or Turtle Master, which is a far better translation of his name.

Now imagine how it would be if FUNimation started using "Kaioh" or "Master Turtle" (or even "Master Muten"). Would you like the changes, even though they are a lot more correct than the names English-speaking fans are accustomed to?

I would be overjoyed if FUNimation used Kaioh as that is his name. As for Roshi, the english translation of his name is already fairly accurate. If I'm not mistaken, one translation of the word Muten is "master", therefore Muten Roshi could translate to Master Roshi (which is the name FUNi gave him). You could make it even more literal by translating Roshi with it but I never have seeing as Roshi in this case just seems to be his name. Master Muten would be redundant seeing as it would translate as "Master Master", so that example doesn't even make any sense.

[El Diabeetus]

The name itself was a word play with the word "Freezer" so there is nothing wrong with it being used either. He has been called Freeza in both Spanish versions for over twenty years. It wouldn't be "keeping Freeza", but "changing a well-established name, just because". Some names in the poster (namely "Kaioh", "Freeza" and "Maestro Tortuga") look like the guy writing the text just made a quick Google search and entered the first result.

Now imagine how it would be if FUNimation started using "Kaioh" or "Master Turtle" (or even "Master Muten"). Would you like the changes, even though they are a lot more correct than the names English-speaking fans are accustomed to?

Freeza may be based on the word freezer, but that doesn't mean the character's name is Freezer. I would much prefer they go with more accurate route. Even if the general fanbase wouldn't like it. Master Turtle or Muten Roshi sound fine to me. Master Roshi sounds stupid since it would be saying 'Master Master' for the guys' name. I may be accustomed to Master Roshi, but if it went to the wayside I wouldn't mind.

[UltimateHammerBro]

I am really struggling with "Duende Tortuga". From what I can see most people agree that the translation of Duende is "having passion, spirit, or soul". I've also found people who translate it as something magical, like a fairy. If these are correct then the translation of "Duende Tortuga" could be anything from Passionate Turtle to Fairy Turtle (or Turtle Fairy) which isn't correct at all. "Maestro Tortuga" on the other hand literally means Master Turtle or Turtle Master, which is a far better translation of his name.

Duende meaning "having passion, spirit, or soul" doesn't make sense in here. It's mostly an outdated word which is only used in certain regions when talking about folklore. I myself would translate it as "Goblin" (in fact, the word Duende is used to translate the term Goblin in Spider-Man comics), so it would literally be "Turtle Goblin". However, keep in mind that Duende Tortuga isn't supposed to be translated from Muten Roshi, but from Kame Sennin, a term Funimation translates as "Turtle Hermit". The word "Goblin" used there seems like something more metaphorical than literal to me.

I would be overjoyed if FUNimation used Kaioh as that is his name. As for Roshi, the english translation of his name is already fairly accurate. If I'm not mistaken, one translation of the word Muten is "master", therefore Muten Roshi could translate to Master Roshi (which is the name FUNi gave him). You could make it even more literal by translating Roshi with it but I never have seeing as Roshi in this case just seems to be his name. Master Muten would be redundant seeing as it would translate as "Master Master", so that example doesn't even make any sense.

In fact, according to Dragon Ball Wiki, it's the opposite: His name appears in the original manga as Muten Roshi (武天老師). His name in English adaptations is a phonetic adaptation of that title: Master Roshi. The Japanese word roshi (老師) correlates to the Chinese word for "teacher" (lǎoshī) and Muten (武天) is made up of the characters for military/martial and heaven. Some fans find it humorous that this adaptation translates to "Master Old Teacher", or simply "Master Master".
(Source: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Master_Roshi)

However, there is something which I forgot to add: the name the character was given most of the time was Maestro Mutenroi, with Mutenroi being a corruption of Mutenroshi. I didn't mention it because I went straight for the "Maestro Tortuga" term. The term "Duende Tortuga" (Turtle Goblin) appeared in the manga, while the early anime episodes used "Tortuga Duende" (Goblin Turtle). While the order of the words may seem like a big deal, it doesn't really change the meaning in Spanish.

[Freeza Soldier #156]

Duende meaning "having passion, spirit, or soul" doesn't make sense in here. It's mostly an outdated word which is only used in certain regions when talking about folklore. I myself would translate it as "Goblin" (in fact, the word Duende is used to translate the term Goblin in Spider-Man comics), so it would literally be "Turtle Goblin". However, keep in mind that Duende Tortuga isn't supposed to be translated from Muten Roshi, but from Kame Sennin, a term Funimation translates as "Turtle Hermit". The word "Goblin" used there seems like something more metaphorical than literal to me.

Thank you for clearing that up. I did come across goblin while researching but I didn't really apply it here. Honestly, it makes me like that particular translation even less. A goblin is typically described as an ugly, mischievous, and many times, evil being. They are typically impish and/or elflike in appearance. While I suppose mischievous could be used to describe Muten Roshi, the similarity ends there. Turtle Hermit on the other hand is a literal translation of Kame Sennin and the word hermit describes the character perfectly. I know that you said you saw the use of goblin as metaphorical and I'm being quite literal with it, but I just don't see a parallel either way.

In fact, according to Dragon Ball Wiki, it's the opposite: His name appears in the original manga as Muten Roshi (武天老師). His name in English adaptations is a phonetic adaptation of that title: Master Roshi. The Japanese word roshi (老師) correlates to the Chinese word for "teacher" (lǎoshī) and Muten (武天) is made up of the characters for military/martial and heaven. Some fans find it humorous that this adaptation translates to "Master Old Teacher", or simply "Master Master".
(Source: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Master_Roshi)

Again, thank you for clearing that up. I don't usually step foot on the current Dragon Ball Wiki (Can't wait until the Kanzenshuu team finishes their's!), but this particular bit of information seems accurate enough.

[VegettoEX]

I like how "some fans" = "as Herms explains time and time again on Kanzenshuu specifically, where we are copying and pasting this from..."