This Roshi being immortal buisness

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:36 pm

Is this a rumor that he was immortal? He was clearly killed by Piccolo in Dragonball. Is there any truth to this?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:30 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Is this a rumor that he was immortal? He was clearly killed by Piccolo in Dragonball. Is there any truth to this?

There's something durring the 22nd or 23rd budokai about 'eternal youth/life' potion. Can't remember, exactly.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:53 pm

Apparently he can't die naturally for some reason (I'm not even gonna try), but can still very much be killed.

Someone else'll have to delve into the details...

Dominator · Post by **Dominator** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:02 pm

I was told he made a wish on the Dragon Balls for his eternal life.

ChaotixXero · Post by **ChaotixXero** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:08 pm

Wasn't it the elixer of Immortally?

Jord · Post by **Jord** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:54 pm

He got immortality from a Phoenix or something.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:00 pm

Ok, in the manga before Muten-Roshi was about to fight Piccolo Daimao, he knocks out Tenshinhan, then afterwards he mentioned that he "lied about the "Elixir of Immortality", but that's about it. So I think he never drank it to begin with.

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:15 pm

In volume 2 of the Tankoubon ( I think?) the turtle states that Master Roushi drank some elixir of eternal life so yes, he can in fact never die from old age which would explain how he's 300 years old. Apparently he can be killed though. People always get mixed up because he tried to summon the immortal phoenix for Gokuh as a reward for helping the turtle earlier.

chibi_goten · Post by **chibi_goten** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:17 pm

He didn't make a wish using the Dragonball's!

He didn't even know he had a ''Dragonball'' at the beginning of Dragonball , when he had one around his neck that washed up on his Island.

At points in the series, Turtle hints at Kamesennin drinking some sort of immortality elixir at one point of his life. While this doesn't mean he can never die (he's died a couple times himself) it does mean that he will never die of old age.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:01 pm

He has eternal life it seems, but not immortality. If he's so old...doesn't that mean that Tsuru-sennin drank the same thing? What about Taopaipai? It seems he just lied about being immortal to Tenshinhan.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:00 am

I don't know how much credit you can put into Roshi's claim of immortality; even the supposed phoenix in the beginning of the series was a gag, an immortal bird who died of food poisoning.

I think by the time the King Piccolo saga rolled around, Toriyama changed gears a little bit and made the story line more serious, and the first bit of detail that needed to be retconned was his immortality. So Toriyama explains it away by having Roshi go back on what he said earlier, there by nullifying it.

Besides, lots of mythical characters in DragonBall had exceptionally long life spans. Korin, Mr. Popo, Baba, etc. Roshi doesn't exactly need an explination why he's lived so long.

MartianOddity · Post by **MartianOddity** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:50 am

I suppose that he's immortal in a sense that he can't die of age, but of diseases and force.
I always believed it was that way, that's how I understood it.
I think that when Kame-Sennin told Tenshinhan that he wasn't immortal, he meant that he wasn't immortal in the sense of invurneable, which he had made Tenshinhan believe (I mean, Tenshinhan only knew that Kame-Sennin was immortal, not in which way).
That's my explanation =).

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:49 pm

Sebastian (SB) wrote:Ok, in the manga before Muten-Roshi was about to fight Piccolo Daimao, he knocks out Tenshinhan, then afterwards he mentioned that he "lied about the "Elixir of Immortality", but that's about it. So I think he never drank it to begin with.

That's about it. Roshi only said to Tenshinhan that he drank the Elixir, so the statement that he "lied about the Elixir" would only make sense in that context if he never drank it. I've always took his 300+ age to be just one of the typical weirdness of the series.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:12 pm

Domon wrote:
Sebastian (SB) wrote:Ok, in the manga before Muten-Roshi was about to fight Piccolo Daimao, he knocks out Tenshinhan, then afterwards he mentioned that he "lied about the "Elixir of Immortality", but that's about it. So I think he never drank it to begin with.

That's about it. Roshi only said to Tenshinhan that he drank the Elixir, so the statement that he "lied about the Elixir" would only make sense in that context if he never drank it. I've always took his 300+ age to be just one of the typical weirdness of the series.

Yeah he tells Tenshinhan that he drank the Elixir before he knocks him unconsience, then after he mentions he lied about the Elixir.

MartianOddity · Post by **MartianOddity** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:12 am

Oh, I forgot him telling he drank of that water. Well, obviously that was a lie.
There are two possibilities: He found the bird of immortality (that only prevented dying of age) and shared it with the people he knew, like his sister, Tsufuru-Sennin and his brother (that he maybe was a friend with back then). That or it's a family ability, but that wouldn't explain Tsufuru-Sennin growing as old as he did.
Correct me if I'm wrong =).

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:50 pm

I'm pretty sure he has eternal life (as in he lives forever) but he can be killed. In the manga he's upset that the turtle disapproves of him seeing Bulma's breasts and he says "Is it so terrible to grant a dying old man his last wish?" and the Turtle replies "You mean the old man who drank from the immortality elixir?"

So he can be killed, but not from natural causes.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:03 pm

The thing I want to know about Roshi being immortal is that if he really is how come Pan is the only survivor of the group at the end of GT?

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:22 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:The thing I want to know about Roshi being immortal is that if he really is how come Pan is the only survivor of the group at the end of GT?

Where is this stated? I thought that he just didn't show up at the tournament.
I think that Master Roshi just don't die of age. After a certain point he stops aging (looking even younger in the latter part of the series, strangely). But I assume that he got immortal after reaching the appearance of the age that he has now or something.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:26 pm

Godo wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:The thing I want to know about Roshi being immortal is that if he really is how come Pan is the only survivor of the group at the end of GT?
Where is this stated? I thought that he just didn't show up at the tournament.
I think that Master Roshi just don't die of age. After a certain point he stops aging (looking even younger in the latter part of the series, strangely). But I assume that he got immortal after reaching the appearance of the age that he has now or something.

Well, I was thinking of the GT TV special at the time and supposedly Pan is the last of the group to be around. I'm not sure if they mean of the saiyans that fought at that time or the whole dragon team or whatever they call themselves.

MartianOddity · Post by **MartianOddity** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:09 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:The thing I want to know about Roshi being immortal is that if he really is how come Pan is the only survivor of the group at the end of GT?

I'm pretty sure he still was alive by then if he didn't get killed earlier. He just didn't have reason to show up anymore since Pan didn't have much contact with him and he didn't know Goku Jr at all.
The other saiyans died of age (not Goku, appareantly) as did the humans. I believe Piccolo, Dende and Popo still were alive since namekians live for something about 300 years or more.
As far as I know, Kame-Sennin grew away as a part of the group at the beginning of GT. We just don't see him in the adventures anymore, which means he's out of the adventure gang, which I think is what they mean by Pan being the last one left of the old group.

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