Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:27 am

What is the "Man Of Steel" argument? I'm Curious.

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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

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Cure Dragon 255 wrote:What is the "Man Of Steel" argument? I'm Curious.
That Superman caused the damage and civilian casualties in Metropolis, all the while completely disregarding the damage caused by Zod and his troops.
so they had this expectation they would make him into an interesting character. From the get-go, of course nobody gives a crap about him.

Also note, I wouldn't want Pan to get the shaft either. I just always found it weird that she had more of a central role than everyone except Goku.
But that's not true, you can find a character that was just introduced interesting and want to learn more about him or her. The writers have explicitly stated that Pan got a central role because there was a lot of room for growth with her character.
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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:02 am

And yet they squandered even that as well.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:And yet they squandered even that as well.
Instead of taking a shot at the series, explaining your POV would be more helpful.
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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by Cetra » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:56 am

You know I like that this thread still is actively used but I wish it would be more used for what I asked, what made people still not like parts of GT even if they watched the original version which I think of as having a very Dragon Ball-worthy atmosphere. Just talking about things like execution itself is something that - from what I have seen - was done already in many threads. So I wanted to include the question about the original because to me it seems like it pretty much is as much Dragon Ball as the rest and some maybe just got lost in other versions, meaning if you really want to talk about what you think of as flawed execution I would like to talk about it in a way that actually stays true to the original. Many things can also be talked about even without considering the Japanese version still somehow I get the feeling if more people would have watched it -maybe a well translated version in case they cannot speak Japanese - they would have liked it more as I think its atmosphere and what the characters actually say comes closer to what the atmosphere and characters are in DBZ.

I hope you understand what I mean. It is very much a thing of feeling.
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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:06 pm

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:And yet they squandered even that as well.
Instead of taking a shot at the series, explaining your POV would be more helpful.
I would but I don't think I'm not up for writing a wall of text over how her character sucks in GT, and arguing over it.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:
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DBZAOTA482 wrote:And yet they squandered even that as well.
Instead of taking a shot at the series, explaining your POV would be more helpful.
I would but I don't think I'm not up for writing a wall of text over how her character sucks in GT, and arguing over it.
You don't need to write a wall, just a few bullet points or it just comes off as a sniping comment with little purpose but bashing.
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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by SaiyanHamster » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:50 pm

I kind liked GT when I was little (I thought Trunks was hilarious for some reason), so I decided to record some of the FUNi dub from NickToons (I know that's not quite the best channel for it, with all the censoring) to see if I had a different opinion.

Dear God, that Mark Menza score is absolutely atrocious! It's worse than the recycled Monster Rancher music... I was trying to watch Piccolo have a heartwarming speech as he was about to die. All I get for accompaniment is an obnoxious guitar piece that sounds like stock music.
I'm not denying that Menza could be a good composer; he definitely can be. But wow... I never liked the "Grand Tour" rap either.

Some parts of it I liked, like Super Android 17. Chuck Huber's performance of him was wonderful.
Pan's VA in FUNi is....questionable. She sounds like a dying cat. I know the Blue Water dub isn't very good either, but the voice for Pan there is better.
I have not seen the original, though I've heard it's way better.

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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:57 pm

Cetra wrote:You know I like that this thread still is actively used but I wish it would be more used for what I asked, what made people still not like parts of GT even if they watched the original version which I think of as having a very Dragon Ball-worthy atmosphere. Just talking about things like execution itself is something that - from what I have seen - was done already in many threads. So I wanted to include the question about the original because to me it seems like it pretty much is as much Dragon Ball as the rest and some maybe just got lost in other versions, meaning if you really want to talk about what you think of as flawed execution I would like to talk about it in a way that actually stays true to the original. Many things can also be talked about even without considering the Japanese version still somehow I get the feeling if more people would have watched it -maybe a well translated version in case they cannot speak Japanese - they would have liked it more as I think its atmosphere and what the characters actually say comes closer to what the atmosphere and characters are in DBZ.

I hope you understand what I mean. It is very much a thing of feeling.
What if the execustion REALLY WAS what everyone hated about GT? NAnd what did you intend this thred for then? Be more cear,we cant read minds.

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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:15 pm

NeoKING wrote: Most DBZ fans? Hardcore fans, maybe. Casual fans of the show likely had no idea it existed.
You do know that people had fast speed internet in common homes these days for over a decade. Someone who is a causal fan of DBZ can easily discover the movie on a quick Google search and find the movie on Youtube or the wikipedia. You can easily download the thing and watch it on Quicktime. I even discover this site thanks to Google back in 2003. If it was the 90's then I would agree but I can't imagine fans not knowing about it until the 2010 remake.
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Dragon Ball: First saga ends in an Ohzaru thrashing Pilaf's Palace; Goku deals with Red Ribbon Androids; Goku fights a magical being;
Dragon Ball Z: First saga ends in an Ohzaru thrashing the battlefield; Goku fights Freeza; Goku deals with Red Ribbon Androids; Goku fights a magical being (Replace "Ma" kanji with "M");
Dragon Ball GT: First saga has a Golden Ohzaru; Goku deals with a Machine Mutant Android; Goku fights a magical being;
You can't compare the sagas of DB and DBZ together since they are totally different from each other. Piccolo Daimo was a alien and not a magical being. The Cell saga and the RR army has nothing in common with each other other they have a connection with the Red Ribbon Army. Yes, the DB and DBZ anime and manga do rehash things but GT rehash things worst in my opinion. The Sigma Force is just a poor man's version of the Ginyu Force that it's not even funny :roll: .

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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by ImmaDeker » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:12 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote: Yes, the DB and DBZ anime and manga do rehash things but GT rehash things worst in my opinion. The Sigma Force is just a poor man's version of the Ginyu Force that it's not even funny
Doing a tokusatsu parody twice is not nearly as bad as "Let me get more and more blonde hair for bigger lasers."

Also GT is the most baller shit.

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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by MediaFanGirl93 » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:51 pm

The majority of the moments with Goku acting like a fool as a child. I didn't like the fact that he got turned into a kid. Also, anytime when Giru opened his mouth.
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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by ABED » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:23 am

MediaFanGirl93 wrote:The majority of the moments with Goku acting like a fool as a child. I didn't like the fact that he got turned into a kid. Also, anytime whdn Giru opened his mouth.
He wasn't a child, he had the body of a child, and he always acts like a fool. GT isn't some aberration.
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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by MediaFanGirl93 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:31 am

ABED wrote:
MediaFanGirl93 wrote:The majority of the moments with Goku acting like a fool as a child. I didn't like the fact that he got turned into a kid. Also, anytime whdn Giru opened his mouth.
He wasn't a child, he had the body of a child, and he always acts like a fool. GT isn't some aberration.
Okay you do make a point. In fairness, I just didn't like how Goku was sometimes. There were many things I found wrong with GT, but it's best that I keep my mouth closed to avoid flame wars.

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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:42 am

The concepts and executions were awful. Except for Baby, who had a good concept with a bad execution.
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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by Rocketman » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:18 am

They did run the LOL GOKU IS HUNGRY gag right into the ground.

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Re: Why you really did not like Dragon Ball GT/parts of it

Post by ABED » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:20 pm

Rocketman wrote:They did run the LOL GOKU IS HUNGRY gag right into the ground.
DB arguably did it first.
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