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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:44 am

Saiga wrote:Well, I guess I've seen U. Gohan overrated in that some people thought that was purely his base form, and he could still get the same boost from turning Super Saiyan. That and saying he's Bootenks' equal is it though.
Oh yeah was that the dumb "He'll blow up earth if he goes SSJ" theory XD.
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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by Saiga » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:03 am

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Saiga wrote:Well, I guess I've seen U. Gohan overrated in that some people thought that was purely his base form, and he could still get the same boost from turning Super Saiyan. That and saying he's Bootenks' equal is it though.
Oh yeah was that the dumb "He'll blow up earth if he goes SSJ" theory XD.
Not just that, but also arguing that he didn't go Super Saiyan because he didn't have a chance to in the fight.
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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:23 am

Underrated:
1. Kaioshin.
2. Goten/Trunks
3. Super Buu/Gotenks/Gohan (if only because thinking Pure Buu is the strongest is still surprisingly common among "casuals").

Overrated:
1. Gogeta
2. Broly
3. Tenshinhan
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:11 am

Saiga wrote:
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Kibitoshin comparable to Gotenks-Buu? ._.

Why wouldn't he just one-shot Kid Buu?
To be fair, you can ask that of Gotenks and Gohan as well. :lol:

I've seen people interpret this line:
Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P11.2-4
Context: right after Kaioshin and Kibito merge
Kaioshin: “Oooh! Am-amazing! This is amazing power! Hahaah! [ ] Goku! I can fight too like this! I’ll go with you!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Don’t get carried away! No matter how strong you’ve become, you were never anything special. I doubt you could fight Boo head-on; you’d just end up getting absorbed. So stay here.”
As both meaning Bootenks would need absorption against him and why he didn't contribute in any of the other fights. To be fair, it does sound like his power is actually relevant at the time. But it'd be ridiculous to leave someone that strong behind.
He really though he could take on Bootenks fused with someone much weaker than he is? Goki really should have killed him.
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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by Low Tone G » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:56 pm

In my view:

Underrated:
1. Piccolo
2. Teen Gohan(pre-traning with Z sword)
3. Vegeta

Overrated:
1. Ultimate Gohan
2. Gotenks(Post-Base Gotenks to be > Pre-SSJ Gotenks issue)
3. Goten/Trunks
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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by Hugo Boss » Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:16 pm

Underrated:
1. Gogeta
2. Goku/Vegeta
3. Pure Boo

Overrated:
1. Gotenks
2. Goten/Trunks
3. Vegetto

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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by TobyS » Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:29 pm

Under-rated:
1. Piccolo
People think after his ROSAT visit he was around semi perfect cell instead of nearly as strong as Vegeta and Trunks.
2. All the Humans, I think there was a soft reset of powerlevels in the droid arc, they catch back up to near the saiyans base. Like the BoZ gaps compared to Goku but closer.
3. Kibitoshin - He was between SS1 and SS2 I think, and post merger even stronger, I feel stronger than Vegeta, if maybe less good a fighter.

Over-rated:
1. Vegeta (PRE BOG Nonsense)
He's trash as far as the end game saiyans go, he had his power OVER his limits with Majin and he was still weaker than SS2 Goku.
All the half saiyans are insanely stronger, even Goku, the only other regular saiyan is Goku and he is way stronger, he has an entire form he doesn't.
2. SP Cell
Even after ANOTHER power-up, he was still weaker than busted arm chi dropped Gohan. He's fodder to the healthy Gohan/Buu arc SS2's.
3. The SSJ kids. They only need to be fusion fodder, people react for how strong they are for their age. I think they are weaker than Piccolo even post ROSAT even combined. I think Buu's outfit shows he is at least stronger than Trunks post Rosat. I think they are weaker than the humans in base pre and post, maybe weaker then the humans in ssj pre and post.

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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by singsing » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:09 pm

Vegeta wasn't weaker than Goku. They were dead even in equal forms.

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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:07 pm

TobyS wrote:Over-rated:
3. The SSJ kids. They only need to be fusion fodder, people react for how strong they are for their age. I think they are weaker than Piccolo even post ROSAT even combined. I think Buu's outfit shows he is at least stronger than Trunks post Rosat. I think they are weaker than the humans in base pre and post, maybe weaker then the humans in ssj pre and post.

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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:14 pm

On topic, imo:

Overrated:
1. Gogeta
2. Cell Games Piccolo
3. Kaioshin

Underrated:
1. Goten/Trunks
2. Gotenks
3. Super Buu

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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by ImmaDeker » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:32 pm

Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?
Huh, well, this should be an interesting discussion about the merits of various characters and --
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:In terms of power?
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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:41 pm

Top 3 Underrated:
1) Piccolo
2) Pure Boo
3) Ultimate Gohan

Top 3 Overrated:
1) Broly
2) Gotenks
3) Gogeta

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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:50 pm

Goten and Trunks deserve to be underrated. They never earned their powers.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by EXBadguy » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:55 pm

Underrated:
1. Yamcha(I fuckin' hate him though)
2. Raditz
3. Supreme Kai

Overrated:
1. Goten and Trunks(The hardworking for the SSJ form goes down the drain! :thumbdown: )
2. Buuhan
3. Goku(Buu saga and above)

Both Overrated and Underrated simultaneously:
1. Frieza
2. Broly
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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:08 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Goten and Trunks deserve to be underrated. They never earned their powers.
It doesn't matter if they didn't earn them. It's what's blatantly shown in the manga.

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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by GogesusSSG » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:37 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Goten and Trunks deserve to be underrated. They never earned their powers.
Most of the villains never earned their power either. If the kids were depicted as much weaker than what they were wouldn't make Piccolo, #18 or the humans anymore relevant than what they already were. With this you would only have Goku, Vegeta and Gohan do anything for the entire arc, which I'm glad we didn't and if it makes you feel any better after they exit the ROSAT that was as strong as they're ever going to be due to not training.

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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:50 pm

GogesusSSG wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Goten and Trunks deserve to be underrated. They never earned their powers.
Most of the villains never earned their power either. If the kids were depicted as much weaker than what they were wouldn't make Piccolo, #18 or the humans anymore relevant than what they already were. With this you would only have Goku, Vegeta and Gohan do anything for the entire arc, which I'm glad we didn't and if it makes you feel any better after they exit the ROSAT that was as strong as they're ever going to be due to not training.
Majin Boo is the only who stupidly powerful without earning it and even then, none of them trivilized a significant power up like Goten and Trunks did.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:43 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
GogesusSSG wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Goten and Trunks deserve to be underrated. They never earned their powers.
Most of the villains never earned their power either. If the kids were depicted as much weaker than what they were wouldn't make Piccolo, #18 or the humans anymore relevant than what they already were. With this you would only have Goku, Vegeta and Gohan do anything for the entire arc, which I'm glad we didn't and if it makes you feel any better after they exit the ROSAT that was as strong as they're ever going to be due to not training.
Majin Boo is the only who stupidly powerful without earning it
Daimao, Vegeta, Freeza, and their henchmen would all beg to differ.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by singsing » Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:16 am

RandomGuy96 wrote: Daimao, Vegeta, Freeza, and their henchmen would all beg to differ.
I mean, didn't Vegeta kinda earn his powers by simply being a Saiyan, living in 10x gravity his entire life, and then conquering planets and fighting wars for Freeza?

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Re: Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:17 am

singsing wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote: Daimao, Vegeta, Freeza, and their henchmen would all beg to differ.
I mean, didn't Vegeta kinda earn his powers by simply being a Saiyan, living in 10x gravity his entire life, and then conquering planets and fighting wars for Freeza?
Not really. He only lived in x10 gravity (his natural environment) for a few years, and then spent his entire life killing helpless weaklings.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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