Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Kakarot9001]

Why has Vegeta never reached SSJ3?

He reached only when Baby took his body in GT lol jk

but for me is a flaw that GT Vegeta never reached SSJ3

[sintzu]

Why has Vegeta never reached SSJ3?

He could but won't probably for the same reason he wouldn't use Ussj against Cell.

[Kamiccolo9]

How can Super Saiyan 4 be 4000x the Base form?

By the way I took those numbers from dbzworld

I don't know what that is, but it's not any kind of official source.

[GokuRules987]

What about when piccolo said during the battle of gods that just by powering up isnt enough to be able to compete with god? Goku is no longer a child with a power level of 10, Hes now a god! and he has the power that even if Freeza trained for million of years wouldnt be able to compete against him let alone only 4 months lol.

Also you said that nobody said that Freeza will compete with ssj god with only training? well technically I wasent actually talking about ssj god Goku i was talking about base god goku because technically Goku now has godly ki even when hes not a super saiyan god. during the Beerus fight he was even able to fight Beerus with only his base form which shows he technically doesnt need to transform into super saiyan god in order to have godly ki.

And unless you think there is a possibility that Freeza training 4 months later would prove him being no where near as powerful as Goku what would be the whole point of the movie? Freeza resurrects, Freeza trains 4 months, Freeza realized that Goku has godly power so he gets blinks away by Goku and movie ends? lol

If this movie took place in post cell saga maybe it would made more sense but at this point Freeza needs more than 4 months to even face against piccolo or gohan

Goku became millions of time stronger from his birth and power level of about 10 to his SSJ3 form. If Freeza could became 1000 time more stronger then he is, it would probably be enough to defeat God Goku, and with enough time for training, why couldnt't he? I agree that 4 months is not enough time to surpass God Goku and I don't think he'll surpass him like that, we still don't know what method will Freeza use.
Still what he said, 4 months to surpass Goku that defeated Buu is actually pretty accurate. Think of it like this: Goku went from battle power of 416 to battle power of over 8000 (without Kaio-Ken) with only 158 days of training, that's almost 20x the power-up, if Freeza can become somwhere between 10-20 time more powerful in 4 months, that would put him above SSJ3 Goku (I think), so it's not irrational.

You realize that comparing Goku to Frieza is like comparing TOAA to Naruto. Like i said if you rewatch battle of gods you will find out that you cant surpass someone whos a god just by training and powering up. Training shouldnt even be an option for Frieza regardless of what kind of it is, even if frieza was bench pressing a galaxy, he still shouldnt be able to beat Goku because Goku power level was stated to be completely unreadable and limitless. The only opponents that Goku would even find worthy to spare against are the gods themselves like beerus and whis.

Whis-Beerus-god goku-ssj4 gogeta

btw goku in his base form was sparring with whis

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Hm. Moderately upset. Had been checking CD Japan for most of the month, waiting for them to post the listing for this month's V-Jump. Never saw it updated until checked through Google instead of their site and saw it was already long Out of Print. A few other retailers have it online, but I don't really want to pay that kind of money (playasia has it for like $14 for the book and $14 for shipping). $30 for one chapter in V-Jump is super overkill...

[TheRed259]

I don't understand why some people are already bitching about "4 months of training" even though we don't yet know what the method is. Even if it's just a normal training, what's the problem? We have seen so many instant powerups throughout the series. What's so implausible this time compared to the past ones?

Because that's like spitting on/dishonor the rest of the series past the Freeza Saga. Goku who is a Saiyan warrior trained for 3 years and didn't even go beyond SSJ1 (Android Saga) and now Freeza comes out of nowhere and with only 4 months of training becomes even stronger than SSJ3/SSJGod or whatever. That would be ridiculous. I really hope that there also sth else that is connected with this power up.

[UpFromTheSkies]

I don't understand why some people are already bitching about "4 months of training" even though we don't yet know what the method is. Even if it's just a normal training, what's the problem? We have seen so many instant powerups throughout the series. What's so implausible this time compared to the past ones?

Because that's like spitting on/dishonor the rest of the series past the Freeza Saga. Goku who is a Saiyan warrior trained for 3 years and didn't even go beyond SSJ1 (Android Saga) and now Freeza comes out of nowhere and with only 4 months of training becomes even stronger than SSJ3/SSJGod or whatever. That would be ridiculous. I really hope that there also sth else that is connected with this power up.

Yeah, that would be ridiculous, it would be like Goten becoming a SSJ as a child without having any training at all, something like that would never happen in Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball is serious business.... There's no Super Saiyan bargain sales in Dragon Ball, no sir.

[Zephyr]

Because that's like spitting on/dishonor the rest of the series past the Freeza Saga. Goku who is a Saiyan warrior trained for 3 years and didn't even go beyond SSJ1 (Android Saga) and now Freeza comes out of nowhere and with only 4 months of training becomes even stronger than SSJ3/SSJGod or whatever. That would be ridiculous. I really hope that there also sth else that is connected with this power up.

Goku isn't a mutant with a stupidly high starting point and decades of untapped potential. Freeza training to get super powerful is no more "out of nowhere" than someone as ridiculously powerful as Freeza existing in the first place. Or some Earth scientist creating robots more powerful than him. Or Goku being retconned to be an alien whose biology allows for plot-dependent near death powerups.

[kei17]

I don't understand why some people are already bitching about "4 months of training" even though we don't yet know what the method is. Even if it's just a normal training, what's the problem? We have seen so many instant powerups throughout the series. What's so implausible this time compared to the past ones?

Because that's like spitting on/dishonor the rest of the series past the Freeza Saga. Goku who is a Saiyan warrior trained for 3 years and didn't even go beyond SSJ1 (Android Saga) and now Freeza comes out of nowhere and with only 4 months of training becomes even stronger than SSJ3/SSJGod or whatever. That would be ridiculous. I really hope that there also sth else that is connected with this power up.

Yeah, that would be ridiculous, it would be like Goten becoming a SSJ as a child without having any training at all, something like that would never happen in Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball is serious business.... There's no Super Saiyan bargain sales in Dragon Ball, no sir.

Yeah, we've never seen anything ridiculous like a mad scientist coming from nowhere and creating cyborgs stronger than the legendary warrior who has been training so hard for years. Definitely we haven't.

[Kaboom]

With the revelation that Freeza has never trained before, I don't see what's so wrong about improving massively in a short time. He's as astoundingly strong as he already is just naturally from not doing anything at all. It's not surprising that this means he's got unfathomable potential just waiting to be tapped.

But all the same, I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet about how strong he'll end up, like comparing him to Goku's God-level power. Not until we've seen the film and know how the plot unfolds, at least.

[Tunjevina]

Like i said if you rewatch battle of gods you will find out that you cant surpass someone whos a god just by training and powering up. Training shouldnt even be an option for Freeza regardless of what kind of it is, even if Freeza was bench pressing a galaxy, he still shouldnt be able to beat Goku because Goku power level was stated to be completely unreadable and limitless. The only opponents that Goku would even find worthy to spare against are the gods themselves like beerus and whis.

You're saying that Whis is a God, yet nowhere in BOG is mentioned that he is a God, all we know about him is that he is Beerus's teacher and that Beerus is basically his boss, he is a mystery and hopefully we'll get to know him better in FnF. So it's not a fact that only Gods can compete with Gods, because if Whis is not a God and he can be stronger then Beerus & Goku, then so can Freeza without a God transformation.

[TheGmGoken]

To be fair...

Most time in fiction it's the weaker people or the most dedicated person with most potential. I don't care for Freeza power up as long as the movie is good. And all characters look good.

[lord turbo]

I really had no intention of responding back after I said we were done, but I'll humor you.

Lolno. Going Super Saiyan uses energy. If he doesn't need it like you claim he doesn't, then he would be simply wasting energy. You do know that SSJ and all of it's forms are merely multipliers, right? How would going Super Saiyan "do nothing" and "not effect his base strength"? How does he no longer need a multiplier? That would mean all SSJ is now is a dye job and a faster energy burn.

SSJ doesn't use up or drain energy once its been perfected. That's what Goku and Gohan did during their Rosat (Room of Spirit and Time) training. They mastered their SSJ to the point it doesn't drain energy or make them feel restless and agitagted anymore. Goku really doesn't need to use SSJ anymore, even if he does he's not wasting any energy either. The SSJ forms multipliers are pretty finished thanks to what SSJG did to Goku's being. SSJ really is just a dye job and no it doesn't burn any energy, stop saying that.

[quote[And lol you still never explained. There's a HUGE hole in your already hole-filled theory. Why did Goku re-transform into SSJG? According to you, he doesn't need it. Base and SSJ are exactly the same in power now. Why was SSJG able to do what SSJ and Base could not? Could it be because, *gasp*, it's a stronger form!? Nah, that's just silly.[/quote]

its unknown why Goku transformed into SSJG, this very question is asked by Beerus himself and Goku has zero idea what he did what he did so don't ask me to prove a negative. You realize like Beerus said Goku literally absorbed SSJG. He's able to use SSJG in base or SSJ form without having to actually turn SSJG (This is stated by Toriyama actually which I will get into later in this response). Its why Goku didn't notice he lost the SSJG form itself, but still retained the power level of it despite him being in his base or SSJ form.

I love how you continue to say "his forms changed nothing in his battle power" when we SEE that it does.

Allow me to explain my stance. Beerus himself pointed out to Goku that after he absorbed SSJG, his power didn't decrease much from it which is why he was able to still fight at SSJG level without actually be SSJG itself. Whatever difference there is between base, ssj, and SSJG now is small, for all intents and purposes all three of his forms are in the same ballpark with each other.

-Goku in Base after losing God is able to get a few good hits in (with the help of IT), but gets crushed by rocks.
-Goku then goes Super Saiyan which has him blasting through all the rocks. Something we VISIBLY SAW he couldn't do in Base form.
-Goku in Base form got a few SNEAK ATTACKS in on Beerus, yes. But Base Goku did not take on Beerus face-to-face. In fact, he tried and got his ass handed to him, which is when he tried using IT.
-However, Goku as a Super Saiyan is able to go blow-for-blow with Beerus. Knocking his ass around the sky and then into outer space when we JUST saw Base Goku not be able to take Beerus.
-Goku as a Super Saiyan can't hold Beerus' death ball and neither can Base. But God could.

misinterpret much? What we see in this scene with base Goku is him unable to destroy all the rocks by pucnhing and kicking it since all the rocks fall on him all at once. Once he exerts his ki he easily moves through them like water. Goku just happened to turn SSJ by accident when he exerted hi ki outward. You do realize you are saying Goku who was still god level was being crushed by rocks and was too weak to get out of it. I don't need to point out how silly that is.

Base Goku didn't get his ass handed to him by Beerus, you are over exaggerating. If you notice base, ssj, and ssjg Goku all struggle to keep up with Beerus once he gets serious (70%), all three different forms also endure, tank, and recover about the same with no difference despite Beerus going HAM on all three different falls all the same. Goku doesn't kick Beerus ass around the sky either, you are over exaggerating again. SSJ Goku has a breath skirish and lands a few hits on Beerus that doesn't do any serious or significant damage to him anymore than he did in his base form. Beerus is even shown taunting Goku in the stratosphere to which SSJ Goku starts using IT multiple times to confuse beerus before firing off a huge Kamehameha that literally does nothing to Beerus. So much for SSJ Goku kicking Beerus ass, lol.

Again, misunderstanding scenes again, we have no idea what SSJG did to Beerus giant ki ball. All we know is that he stopped it somehow? This doesn't mean SSJG is considerably stronger than SSJ or base. Remember, Beerus said he didn't power down much when he lost SSJG. That means his base and SSJ form are not that far apart from SSJG. Rememeber, Toriyama said if Beerus is a 7 (which would be 70% his full power) base/SSJ Goku is an 6 (Which would be 60% of Beerus full' power) in comparison to him. That means SSJG Goku falls between 60% and 70% of Beerus meaning he's not that much different from base/SSJ Goku in power level which is what was stated in the movie.

That means base/SSJ Goku (60% of Beerus' full power) is not that much different from SSJG Goku who is inferior to Beerus at 70%. SSJG Goku is inbetween base/SSJ Goku's 60% and Beerus 70%. As you can see that is a pretty small difference in power between base/ssj Goku and SSJG Goku.

These are all points in support of this. THIS is the basic, common consensus. You act like this theory of yours (and yes, this is a theory) is so "obvious", but you're the only one I've heard this from.

Hardly, I've just proven these "Points" of yours as being false pretty decisively. This is no theory and is what is shown and stated in the movie you have been badly misinterpreting for a while now. I'm not the only one that said this as that other poster said this before I jumped in too agreeing with him.

You literally only have ONE POINT in support of your theory. "Goku didn't even know he lost the God power". To reiterate once again: Goku's power was draining, but SLOWLY. Him going Super Saiyan helped him maintain the God form power and he didn't even know it. He transformed subconsciously.

That is if you ignore the fact that Beerus is the one that flat out tells Goku this. Goku didn't even know he lost the SSJG and questioned if that's true why is he still at SSJG level then? Beerus explained its because he absorbed SSJG which is why when he lost the form and returned to normal his power level didn't decrease much as stated and shown by Goku performing about the same against Beerus at 70% despite losing SSJG. Like I said above thanks to Toriyama's own words. base/SSJ Goku is 60% of Beerus full power and he was using only 70% of his full power during their fight and SSJG Goku was simply no match and fared no better than his base or ssj form meaning SSJG is literally not that much different than those two individual forms.

Toriyama in an interview said the reason why Goku doesn't need to transform into a SSJG anymore is because he absorbed the power itself into his being and made it his own. He doesn't need to turn SSJG (according to Toriyama who created the BoGs movie) anymore to use its power, he can use it with his base or SSJ form now. Again, this is pretty simple and I have zero idea why you are having such a difficult time trying to comprehend this, I can't explain it anymore simpler than this if I tried. What exactly are you not getting here?

>says we're done professionally.
>unprofessionally calls me pretentious.

Lol

That was a joke reference to a Christian Bale rant. However, I called you pretentious because of your arrogant and dismissive attitude you had towards me.

[Chuquita]

Today's Bulma's Blog guest is Ryusei Nakao!
http://ameblo.jp/dragonball2015/entry-11993936250.html

[TheRed259]

Yeah, that would be ridiculous, it would be like Goten becoming a SSJ as a child without having any training at all, something like that would never happen in Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball is serious business.... There's no Super Saiyan bargain sales in Dragon Ball, no sir.

I can buy that since Goten and Trunks are the sons of Goku and Vegeta (after getting Super Saiyan). But if a creature like Freeza becomes that much powerful with just 4 months of training, yes, that would be ridiculous. Basically, the way Toriyama explains things would be once again ridiculous.

[Herms]

Today's Bulma's Blog guest is Ryusei Nakao!
http://ameblo.jp/dragonball2015/entry-11993936250.html

Aa~~aand updated:

Hey! Bulma here!
Just 53 days left until the movie’s premier!
T-Today we’ve got…why, it’s a comment from the voice of Freeza, Ryusei Nakao!

Nakao: I was incredibly happy when I heard that I was coming back as Freeza for this movie. I didn’t get the chance to participate last time, so when against all odds it turned out I’d get to come back to life one more time, I went “yippy!” (laughs)

I was already looking forward to the story since I knew sensei was writing it himself, but it was still really fun to see just how Freeza gets resurrected. That the character of Freeza has survived for so long thanks to everyone’s support makes me happy in the extreme.

Even though it’s a series from 25 years ago, after all this time I’m still fortunate enough to play Freeza in some form or another every year, which made me feel that it wasn’t quite over yet. I’m incredibly grateful that people think that “Freeza=Ryusei Nakao”. There aren’t too many series or characters out there that get people saying things like that about us, so they’re our greatest joy.

It’s a very important series for me, since thanks to it I’ve got my current position where people go “if it’s a bad guy, have Ryusei Nakao voice him!”

I think he’s a character who’s been nurtured by the fans.

All you Freeza fans, please watch until the very end!

If you watch until the end, than maybe once more…

[Dyno]

YAY! POST-CREDIT SCENE MAYBE! *-*'

[Black_Liger]

Today's Bulma's Blog guest is Ryusei Nakao!
http://ameblo.jp/dragonball2015/entry-11993936250.html

Aa~~aand updated:

Hey! Bulma here!
Just 53 days left until the movie’s premier!
T-Today we’ve got…why, it’s a comment from the voice of Freeza, Ryusei Nakao!

Nakao: I was incredibly happy when I heard that I was coming back as Freeza for this movie. I didn’t get the chance to participate last time, so when against all odds it turned out I’d get to come back to life one more time, I went “yippy!” (laughs)

I was already looking forward to the story since I knew sensei was writing it himself, but it was still really fun to see just how Freeza gets resurrected. That the character of Freeza has survived for so long thanks to everyone’s support makes me happy in the extreme.

Even though it’s a series from 25 years ago, after all this time I’m still fortunate enough to play Freeza in some form or another every year, which made me feel that it wasn’t quite over yet. I’m incredibly grateful that people think that “Freeza=Ryusei Nakao”. There aren’t too many series or characters out there that get people saying things like that about us, so they’re our greatest joy.

It’s a very important series for me, since thanks to it I’ve got my current position where people go “if it’s a bad guy, have Ryusei Nakao voice him!”

I think he’s a character who’s been nurtured by the fans.

All you Freeza fans, please watch until the very end!

If you watch until the end, than maybe once more…

DAT watch until the very end tho, DAT if we do then maybe once more.


Freeza.... survives the final battle?????

[MagicBox]

If you watch until the end, than maybe once more…

I am loving these teasers.

Man, this blog is great. Easily some of the best marketing they've done since the new movies started.

[Chuquita]

Post credit scene? :
Of course my brain pictures the post credit sequence from the LAM, only with Freeza being fed soup. XD

That's a very curious statement. Maybe Freeza does live to fight another day.
Or it's just a sequence of him back in hell with one of the MomoClo angels playing his head like a drum set.