That doesn't change the fact that several companies depended on the series going on. You couldn't just end the series like that. Toriyama couldn't. Even the Shûeisha itself couldn't.Victator Supreme wrote:I think its a safe bet to assume he was also a multi millionaire too.
Bulma and Gohan could have taken the ship back to Earth as planned.laserkid wrote:Just a quick note, but IF Piccolo HAD died and all the Dragon Balls were gone from that, NO ONE would have survived Namek. Not even Gohan and Bulma, as the ship was damaged during Namek's death throws earlier. So don't say the ending would have been just Gohan surviving, no in this alternate reality where the wishes dont come in to save everyone, NO ONE is saved. The survivors are Chi Chi, Puar, Oolong, and Master Roshi, and everyone else back on earth.
*Somewhat off-topic*While the Buu arc may have been a bit superfluous (big word yay), it did do a good job of wrapping up some aspects of DragonBall's story. Like giving closure to Goku and Vegeta's rivalry, having the inhabitants of Earth save their own wealking booties for once
Goku saving asses is the theme of almost every major saga. Gohan isn't a fighter like Goku, so of course he would need the motivation to finish off Cell. Put that in with that fact that he's a child and he was the first to become a SSJ2 and completely surpassed his father and his opponent. If you think Buu saga had a "unique" ending, take a look at some of the DBZ moviesKnightSword7 wrote:*Somewhat off-topic*While the Buu arc may have been a bit superfluous (big word yay), it did do a good job of wrapping up some aspects of DragonBall's story. Like giving closure to Goku and Vegeta's rivalry, having the inhabitants of Earth save their own wealking booties for once
This is just my opinion, but I'm actually glad that the fans caused Mr Toriyama to change his mind concerning the Boo saga's ending. I just think it would have been a carbon copy (more-less) of the Cell saga ending:
Cell- After being beaten pretty badly, Gohan goes SS2 and gains the power to easily overwhelm Cell.
Boo- After being beaten pretty badly, Gohan goes mystic and gains the power to easily overwhelm Boo.
Cell- Gohan manages to completely screw up his advantage; and if not for his daddy stepping in and saving his ass, Cell would have destroyed the planet.
Boo- Gohan manages to completely screw up his advantage; and if not for his daddy stepping in and saving his ass, Boo would have destroyed the planet.
Cell- Cell returns stronger than ever; Gohan hurts his arm and openly admits that he is going to just stand there and allow Cell to destroy the planet. Until once again, daddy taps him on the shoulder (from the afterlife), and more-less tells him to pull his head out of his ass and fight.
(From here, it's speculation of course, but I think it's logical speculation that this is how it would have ended)
Boo- Gohan's confidence is severely distorted seeing as how he would have doomed the entire cosmos if not for his daddy. So he's discouraged and temporarily loses the will to fight kid Boo, until once again, daddy tells him to quit being a pussy and fight.
Whether it was dictated by the fans or not, whether the writing was stretched thin or not, at least the Boo saga had a unique ending. For the first and only time, the final antagonist (kid Boo) is never completely overpowered by one of the heroes. For the first and only time, the bad guy wasn't defeated by the efforts and energy of just one individual, but many. For the first and only time, Vegeta proves himself as a true hero (as stated by Goku), by devising the entire plan to eradicate kid Boo. And for the first and only time, hey what do ya' know, the genki dama actually works!
... I know what you mean with Toriyama's intended ending being like the Cell Arc's ending but what do you expect: he wanted to wash his hands with the Cell Arc (if not Freeza but yeah, thats the point of this thread), so of course some ideas would be reused.
Mystic Jack wrote:I disagree completely, many fans I think would not be happy if they were left in the dark waiting for the next saga to come out, if they're still dealing with Buu in said episode, I say it stays in the BUU SAGA,The Buu Saga should've ended with Vegetto.
Well I think it would be great too, but the main issue would be that two of the most liked characters would have stayed as Vegetto. The only way for them to get into themselves again was to go inside Buu (which they really didn't know).Rocketman wrote:Mystic Jack wrote:I disagree completely, many fans I think would not be happy if they were left in the dark waiting for the next saga to come out, if they're still dealing with Buu in said episode, I say it stays in the BUU SAGA,The Buu Saga should've ended with Vegetto.
I meant Vegetto should've destroyed Buu.
Well, sure, I can see your point if that's how Gohan saving the day would have gone... but it's not. Either Gohan would have just thrashed Buu and he'd have never absorbed anyone... Or Super Buu2 would have been even with (or maybe slightly stronger/weaker than) Gohan. Or, at the most, Super Buu 1.5 (after Gotenks defusion) would ahve been the end as the power loss would have let Gohan win.KnightSword7 wrote:*Somewhat off-topic*While the Buu arc may have been a bit superfluous (big word yay), it did do a good job of wrapping up some aspects of DragonBall's story. Like giving closure to Goku and Vegeta's rivalry, having the inhabitants of Earth save their own wealking booties for once
This is just my opinion, but I'm actually glad that the fans caused Mr Toriyama to change his mind concerning the Boo saga's ending. I just think it would have been a carbon copy (more-less) of the Cell saga ending:
Cell- After being beaten pretty badly, Gohan goes SS2 and gains the power to easily overwhelm Cell.
Boo- After being beaten pretty badly, Gohan goes mystic and gains the power to easily overwhelm Boo.
Cell- Gohan manages to completely screw up his advantage; and if not for his daddy stepping in and saving his ass, Cell would have destroyed the planet.
Boo- Gohan manages to completely screw up his advantage; and if not for his daddy stepping in and saving his ass, Boo would have destroyed the planet.
Cell- Cell returns stronger than ever; Gohan hurts his arm and openly admits that he is going to just stand there and allow Cell to destroy the planet. Until once again, daddy taps him on the shoulder (from the afterlife), and more-less tells him to pull his head out of his ass and fight.
(From here, it's speculation of course, but I think it's logical speculation that this is how it would have ended)
Boo- Gohan's confidence is severely distorted seeing as how he would have doomed the entire cosmos if not for his daddy. So he's discouraged and temporarily loses the will to fight kid Boo, until once again, daddy tells him to quit being a pussy and fight.
I don't know about that, I'm pretty sure Toriyama always intended on having Vegeta and Goku bury the hatchet by fusing. Then after they rescued all of the absorbed victims, Gohan would have defeated kid Boo.Well, sure, I can see your point if that's how Gohan saving the day would have gone... but it's not. Either Gohan would have just thrashed Buu and he'd have never absorbed anyone... Or Super Buu2 would have been even with (or maybe slightly stronger/weaker than) Gohan. Or, at the most, Super Buu 1.5 (after Gotenks defusion) would ahve been the end as the power loss would have let Gohan win.
Kid Buu's sole and only reason for existing at all was for Goku to have a Buu that he could fight (in a close/interesting battle) and still defeat. Because of this, there would have been no Potara's and no returning of Goku to give Gohan his push. At the most, we'd have gotten the Buu and Gohan cat-and-mouse chase followed by Gohan obliterating Buu after he lost power from the defusion.
Its different because it didn't end with fusion in the sagas you mentioned. Vegeta even said he didn't want to fuse with Goku. This would lead to a major saiyan skitzo. More more information, rent the following movie.Rocketman wrote:As opposed to the Cell/Freeza endings, where the hero is untouchable and the rivals are separated by death.Mr.Piccolo wrote:If the saga ended with Vegetto defeating Buu then the ending would be so boring. The hero would be an untouchable and rivals would be fused forever.
Considering that fusion wasn't even his idea in the first place... I highly doubt that. The return of Goku and Vegeta (and their fusion) was simply a means of getting the others out so that Toriyama-sama could weaken Buu enough to make him someone Goku could actually fight and beat (and not be massacred against, like any of the Super Buu incarnations would have done).KnightSword7 wrote:I don't know about that, I'm pretty sure Toriyama always intended on having Vegeta and Goku bury the hatchet by fusing. Then after they rescued all of the absorbed victims, Gohan would have defeated kid Boo.Well, sure, I can see your point if that's how Gohan saving the day would have gone... but it's not. Either Gohan would have just thrashed Buu and he'd have never absorbed anyone... Or Super Buu2 would have been even with (or maybe slightly stronger/weaker than) Gohan. Or, at the most, Super Buu 1.5 (after Gotenks defusion) would ahve been the end as the power loss would have let Gohan win.
Kid Buu's sole and only reason for existing at all was for Goku to have a Buu that he could fight (in a close/interesting battle) and still defeat. Because of this, there would have been no Potara's and no returning of Goku to give Gohan his push. At the most, we'd have gotten the Buu and Gohan cat-and-mouse chase followed by Gohan obliterating Buu after he lost power from the defusion.
I think it does. A man of Toriyama'a wealth and influence is not going to be forced to do anything he does not want to do. Unless he signed a contract to do Dragonball for a certain amount of time. In which case why would he be ending the series, when he knows he is under contract?That doesn't change the fact that several companies depended on the series going on. You couldn't just end the series like that. Toriyama couldn't. Even the Shûeisha itself couldn't.
I don't think anyone put a gun to his headVictator Supreme wrote:I think it does. A man of Toriyama'a wealth and influence is not going to be forced to do anything he does not want to do. Unless he signed a contract to do Dragonball for a certain amount of time. In which case why would he be ending the series, when he knows he is under contract?That doesn't change the fact that several companies depended on the series going on. You couldn't just end the series like that. Toriyama couldn't. Even the Shûeisha itself couldn't.
He was probably just "pressured" into continuing the story. We know his editors pressured him into giving Cell another form (and then another), why is it so hard to believe that he could be 'convinced' to keep the story going?
