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[NeptuneKai]

It won't matter how many people don't like it.

Honestly man, I could probably count on my fingers.

Seriously dude, like what...two...three people?

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

This thread might as well be locked. It's going nowhere. We're all being closed minded. It's obvious VegettoEX isn't going to change the word filter. He has already made up his mind. It won't matter how many people don't like it. The way he sees it, this is his forum to do whatever he wants with.

You know, this attitude is making it very difficult to empathize with your viewpoint. I mean, I empathized and understood your preference and opinion, even though I disagreed with it. But by being abrasive, condescending, and rude...you're not helping your case any.

[Bardock the Mexican]

Elitist Weeaboo example:

Megaman fans who constantly correct you for saying "Maverick" instead of "Irregular", even though Maverick sounds cooler.

Also I hate ED and it's hateful attitude that it pretends is "parody"(what exactly is posting personal details of some autistic kid a parody of, being an even bigger retard?) but I thought the word applied here.

It is simply that some kinds of humor ( specificly more abrasive humor) is harder to laugh at for some people. It's also more of a inside joke kind of humor where you have to have prior knowledge about the joke. Encyclopedia Dramatica is written in a very harsh tone but all in the sense of having fun with it. It's called LULZ and shouldn't be taken seriously. If you do, you just make them right.

I have been to 4chan and gone to Habbo Hotel as a black guy in a suit with a afro. It's just messing with people and it's all just for laughs for lulz.

[Innagadadavida]

This thread might as well be locked. It's going nowhere. We're all being closed minded. It's obvious VegettoEX isn't going to change the word filter. He has already made up his mind. It won't matter how many people don't like it. The way he sees it, this is his forum to do whatever he wants with.

You know, this attitude is making it very difficult to empathize with your viewpoint. I mean, I empathized and understood your preference and opinion, even though I disagreed with it. But by being abrasive, condescending, and rude...you're not helping your case any.

You're right. But it's really not worth getting all butthurt about, on my part. I appreciate that you understand what I'm trying to say, despite the fact that you have opposing viewpoints. But for every one of you, there are ten people who say "STFU n00b, just use his REAL name."

[desirecampbell]

You're right. But it's really not worth getting all butthurt about, on my part. I appreciate that you understand what I'm trying to say, despite the fact that you have opposing viewpoints. But for every one of you, there are ten people who say "STFU n00b, just use his REAL name."

And all I'm hearing is "Funimation's dub is the only one, and Tien is his real name".

And I find all this rather unconvincing, mainly because no one's going on about other "dub names" being changed, like Frieza or Hercule.

And still, I can't see why anyone is taking issue with this: if you're talking about how a character's name is changed for a specific country's dub, then the filter is easy to circumvent. Otherwise, you're just talking about the character, and using the actual correct name would be best, right? Is there any other scenario where it would be useful to use the dub name?

[VegettoEX]

Here's a question I have.

Forgive me for not remembering the exact country, but it's part of a European release. I think it was the English-language European release of Budokai 3...?

Anyway, the character's name was spelled as "Li Shenron" in the game (whether or not it's spelled that way in any other materials there, I don't know). Regardless of how close you feel it may be to the original name (being romanized as "ii shinron" or from the Chinese as "yi xing long" being "one-star dragon")... it's flat out wrong (for more information on the "evil dragons" and their name origins, check out our respective "Tidbits" page).

So here we have an example of one specific product that's completely unrelated to FUNimation (except maybe their English voices were included in that game, selectable alongside the Japanese voices), and yet it's a name change along the same lines: it's specific to one region, it's a change, it's wrong, and the vast majority of the world has no idea why that name/spelling would be used.

So would any individuals from that area of the world be opposed to a word filter on this forum that changes "Li Shenron" to either "Ii-Shinron" (or "Yi Xing Long"), and rise up in protest of it?

I don't see how it would be any different than "Tien" or "Hercule"...

[Rocketman]

Why is Pikkon filtered, anyways? It doesn't seem that different from Yamucha-Yamcha or Kuririn-Krillin.

[VegettoEX]

Why is Pikkon filtered, anyways? It doesn't seem that different from Yamucha-Yamcha or Kuririn-Krillin.

My reasoning for the latter two is that they're at least reasonable romanizations of the character's actual name, where-as "Pikkon" removes at least one (perhaps two) syllable(s) from the name (and changes the sound of another) and is not necessarily recognizable as actually being that character.

Extremely curious as to thoughts on the "Li Shenron" item mentioned above, though...

[Rocketman]

My reasoning for the latter two is that they're at least reasonable romanizations of the character's actual name, where-as "Pikkon" removes at least one (perhaps two) syllable(s) from the name (and changes the sound of another)

I pronounce it as Pi-khan, while the original is Pi-ku-han. I'm probably mispronouncing it, but it really doesn't sound more different to me than Ku-ri-rin to Krill-in.

and is not necessarily recognizable as actually being that character.

A matter of opinion, I suppose, but it's certainly more like "Krillin" than "Hercule" or "Fasha".

[VegettoEX]

I pronounce it as Pi-khan, while the original is Pi-ku-han. I'm probably mispronouncing it, but it really doesn't sound more different to me than Ku-ri-rin to Krill-in.

If I understand correctly (I've only heard it a couple times), FUNimation pronounces it as "pike - on", so you're missing the "u" and the "h" parts, and changing the "an" to an "on".

Regarding "Kuririn" -> "Krillin", I can see it perfectly fine. Remember that (and this is a very rough description that isn't 100% accurate, but gets the point across) that our "consonant" letters are all followed by a "vowel" letter when being romanized (except for "n"), and can be extraneous (like in "kakarotto" with the final "to" and the "o" being there because of the extra emphasis added to the "t" to make "tto"), all due to the relative small amount of sound(s) produced with the language.

Therefore, the "ku" becomes just a "k" and "rurin" easily become "rillin" ("R" to "L", etc.)

It's a perfectly fine modification of the name from Japanese to English / a different alphabet. I don't care to spell it or say it that way, but it's A-OK.

[Herms]

If I understand correctly (I've only heard it a couple times), FUNimation pronounces it as "pike - on", so you're missing the "u" and the "h" parts, and changing the "an" to an "on".

That's how I remember it being pronounced as well. Which brings up that the name "Pikkon" seems to be an attempt to change the character's name pun from "pork ribs with rice" to "pecan".

[Adamant]

Plus, unlike the u in Kuririn, the u in Paikuhan is extended. "Pikkon" really doesn't work very well as a romanization. It'd be like calling Goku "Gokk".

[The Tori-bot]

I pronounce it as Pi-khan, while the original is Pi-ku-han. I'm probably mispronouncing it, but it really doesn't sound more different to me than Ku-ri-rin to Krill-in.

If I understand correctly (I've only heard it a couple times), FUNimation pronounces it as "pike - on", so you're missing the "u" and the "h" parts, and changing the "an" to an "on".

Time for another...

USELESS TRIVIA OF THE WEEEEEEK!

Yes, I've been watching too much TV Burp...

In the Ocean dub of DBZ that ran in the UK (which I have preserved on video tape, hooray!), Paikuhan's name is still spelled "Pikkon", but it's pronounced pee-kon instead of pike-on, which is even more cocked-up that FUNi's version, so it kinda threw me when I heard Dr. EX say "Pike-on" in reference to the dub name because the only way I knew him at the time was as "Pee-kon".

And then came Shin Budokai with "Paikuhan" and "Janena". I still ask myself to this day... WTF?

And, in reference to an earlier quote about Yi Xing Long (Or Ii Shinron, or Doris, or whatever you want to call him) in all of the video games in Europe/UK in which he appears (including the normal and "Collector's" versions of B3) he's referred to as "Syn Shenron" for his normal form and "Omega Shenron" for his super-awesome-Dragon Ball-absorption-blah transformation.

[Casual Matt]

I've actually asked about this "weeaboo" word before, because I didn't quite understand it. From what I was told, it has something to do with "4chan" (which I also have little familiarity with).

(This is the real meaning of Weaboo.)

Megaman fans who constantly correct you for saying "Maverick" instead of "Irregular", even though Maverick sounds cooler.

Aren't those name changes still Capcom's doing, though?

Some people prefer the name "Tenshinhan". Should we force all mentions of "Convoy" to be "Optimus Prime" because he was only refered to as Convoy in one market?

No, it's ludicrous. Optimus Prime "Is" his name, but he was given another name by someone else.

That's a little different. Transformers has upbringings and material in both North America and Japan with both Hasbro and Takara being the forces behind it. As such, the English and Japanese names for the characters are equally applicable, and will typically just depend on which language you're actually speaking.

In fact, I seem to recall a point in one of DreamWave's comics where Jazz is scanned by something and both his English and Japanese names, Jazz and Meister respectively are displayed.

Anyway, my point is the Dragon Ball is a Japanese property produced entirely within Japan (a few video games notwithstanding). The Japanese names for the characters are the original ones, and ergo, more correct on a global scale.

So would any individuals from that area of the world be opposed to a word filter on this forum that changes "Li Shenron" to either "Ii-Shinron" (or "Yi Xing Long"), and rise up in protest of it?

I think the European / Canadian Blue Water dub used the pronunciation "Ii Shenron", which is of course is what happens to the name "Yi Xing Long" when it goes from Chinese characters to Japanese pronunciation to English pronunciation.

So I don't know if Li Shenron would be correct anywhere.

If I understand correctly (I've only heard it a couple times), FUNimation pronounces it as "pike - on", so you're missing the "u" and the "h" parts, and changing the "an" to an "on".

That's how I remember it being pronounced as well. Which brings up that the name "Pikkon" seems to be an attempt to change the character's name pun from "pork ribs with rice" to "pecan".

I seem to remember Pikkon being pronounced "Pie Con" in the Canadian dub but "Pee Con" in the American one.

[SSJ2bardock]

I seem to remember Pikkon being pronounced "Pie Con" in the Canadian dub but "Pee Con" in the American one.

You've got it mixed up, in the US Funimation dub it's pronounced Pie-Con. Can't say anything for the Canadian dub 'cause I've never seen it.

[DBHighDefinition]

I seem to remember Pikkon being pronounced "Pie Con" in the Canadian dub but "Pee Con" in the American one.

You've got it mixed up, in the US Funimation dub it's pronounced Pie-Con. Can't say anything for the Canadian dub 'cause I've never seen it.

The Ocean dub say Pee-Con. I'm 100% sure.

[Casual Matt]

I seem to remember Pikkon being pronounced "Pie Con" in the Canadian dub but "Pee Con" in the American one.

You've got it mixed up, in the US Funimation dub it's pronounced Pie-Con. Can't say anything for the Canadian dub 'cause I've never seen it.

The Ocean dub say Pee-Con. I'm 100% sure.

Okay, then I must be misremembering. In that case it's the other way around because I know one used one pronunciation while the other used the other one. Thanks, guys.

[Big Momma]

so if being "censored" by "elitist weaboo" fascists is such an insult to your integrity, go post on the FUNimation forum, while we blind sycophants all continue to march to EX's Nazi piper tune.

I was thinking it's more of a piccolo tune.


Anyway, you shouldn't make a big deal out of the web filter. Just because the owner of this forum prefers the names originally given to the characters by the original author, doesn't mean he's forcing you to change your opinions on the different localizations of the series.

You're taking this way too seriously and are the only person I've ever seen make a big deal out of it. It's his forum, he can moderate it how he wants. If you want, you can make your own forum and filter in all the dub names. There are plenty of other forums that allow you to say whatever name you please.

But if you whine and quit because of a simple word filter than I am going to fairly warn you that you will be missing on what may be the best Dragonball board on the internet today. This place is very organized, everyone knows what they're talking about, and it's just a fun place to talk with other people who share your passion for a classical anime that has and will always stand the tests of time.

Besides, if you really don't like it, getting around it isnt' difficult. Just insert tags into the middle of the word you don't want filtered.

EDIT:

It is simply that some kinds of humor ( specificly more abrasive humor) is harder to laugh at for some people. It's also more of a inside joke kind of humor where you have to have prior knowledge about the joke. Encyclopedia Dramatica is written in a very harsh tone but all in the sense of having fun with it. It's called LULZ and shouldn't be taken seriously. If you do, you just make them right.

Yep, for example, check out the page for Superman 64, arguably the WORST game on the N64.(Warning, sometimes questionable content pops up on the pages. Its editable, like Wikipedia, so you never know what will be on it.)

Some argue that this is the greatest game ever made.

This game single handedly paved the way for the N64. Superman 64 raised the bar for every game preceding it, thereby creating a time paradox akin to when Superman flew around the world really, really, really fast to make things go backwards.

OBVIOUSLY a little sarcastic.

I've actually asked about this "weeaboo" word before, because I didn't quite understand it. From what I was told, it has something to do with "4chan" (which I also have little familiarity with).

Consider yourself a lucky man. I would say 4chan is only for those who want to explore the "deepest and darkest" parts of the interweb.

That, and it's probably where a good 95% of all internet meme's were born.

[JulieYBM]

FUNi pronunciation of Paikuhan's North American name: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk0fRKplmls&fmt=18

Ocean pronunciation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYccvcUEXuw&fmt=18

FUNi seems to change back and forth a little with 'pai kan' and 'pike con' while Ocean uses 'pee con' (like the nut?)

[Rena Rune]

Anyway, my point is the Dragon Ball is a Japanese property produced entirely within Japan (a few video games notwithstanding). The Japanese names for the characters are the original ones, and ergo, more correct on a global scale.

But my point is you shouldn't force that on people. People know what you mean when you say "Tien", if it annoys you that much, then I think it's time to learn to deal with it somehow.

Also the romanisations of DB are all over the place anyway. The way they say "Buruma" seems to be attempting to be "Bulma", yet "Kururin" in the original series doesn't sound as much like "Krillin". Dragonball, much like you guys are trying to be asian, was trying to be western in some of it's naming schemes(food and clothes mainly).

I think the i in Tien is probably representing some kind of inflection. A lot of the time in various asian dialects, "en" sounds like "ien" as there's a slight raise and drop in pitch before the first vowel.

It's just the same they gave a different version of it. It might suck and be cruel to the original, and you'd have a good case in an ARGUMENT. The problem here is that the admin staff are, in a completely and utterly uncompromising manner, forcing this on people.

Which there is, as of yet, no logical defense for. Even if it's more correct, the fact remains that a huge following exists that know Tenshinhan as Tien.

We don't need reasoning to remove it since it's just a flick of a switch. If a decision is shown later on to have no real reasoning behind it, it should be reversed. That's kind of how things happen in the real world.

For another example, Mazinger Z. It was "Tranzor Z" over here. It's not the original name, but why overwrite Mazinger Z with Tranzor Z just because people might not know? It'll only confuse people. Why not educate people instead of pushing them for doing nothing wrong?