Who came first? Cashman or 4th Form Freeza?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:17 am

Cashman was published in October or November of 1991. I know the Freeza saga ranged for most of '91, so I was wondering if Cashman was designed first or if Freeza's final form was.

askani son · Post by **askani son** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:08 pm

Cashman?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:02 pm

It's another short manga work by Toriyama. Basically it's a superhero comedy. Very funny and entertaining.

http://www.toriyamaworld.com/oneshots/

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:11 pm

Here is a picture of Cashman, I don't know. I'd say Freeza came first cause I doubt he had anytime to do anything while he was working on the Freeza saga so probley after.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:24 pm

I always thought the cop whose body he took over, looked like a cross between Trunks and Yamucha.

Slickmasterfunk · Post by **Slickmasterfunk** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:01 pm

Looks more like Cooler than Freeza to me. Maybe he was the inspiration for that since Toriyama designed him as well for movie 5.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:23 pm

Whoa. Cashman is too awesome for words.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:51 pm

He seems to be a compolation of Great Saiyaman (funny poses), #18 (asking for money), Coola (the look), and Vegeta ("Big Bang Attack").

If Cashman was designed before Coola, then he probably was used as a base for Coola.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:52 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:I'd say Freeza came first cause I doubt he had anytime to do anything while he was working on the Freeza saga so probley after.

According to the publication notes at the end of the story, as well as the comparison info found in daizenshuu 1 and 7, they came out at the same time.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:29 pm

Dayspring wrote:According to the publication notes at the end of the story, as well as the comparison info found in daizenshuu 1 and 7, they came out at the same time.

4th form Freeza first appears in Chapter 304, "Birth of a Super Saiya-jin and Super Freeza!?". That chapter appeared in January of 1991 in Weekly Jump Issue #2. Cashman appeared in November of 1990 in V Jump Issue #12. So there you have it.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:39 pm

Hujio wrote:
Dayspring wrote:According to the publication notes at the end of the story, as well as the comparison info found in daizenshuu 1 and 7, they came out at the same time.
4th form Freeza first appears in Chapter 304, "Birth of a Super Saiya-jin and Super Freeza!?". That chapter appeared in January of 1991 in Weekly Jump Issue #2. Cashman appeared in November of 1990 in V Jump Issue #12. So there you have it.

Thanks!

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:18 pm

C'mon and translate shit like this already, Viz!

The S · Post by **The S** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:47 pm

Now I've just got to figure out which of these came first: Chrono Trigger's Japanese release, or the first appearance of Frog in the Anoyoichi Budokai in Japan....

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:53 am

The S wrote:Now I've just got to figure out which of these came first: Chrono Trigger's Japanese release, or the first appearance of Frog in the Anoyoichi Budokai in Japan....

Probably Chrono Trigger. Frog was TOEI, not Toriyama.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:01 am

Chrono Trigger was released in Japan by Square Enix on March 11, 1995 and on September 27, 1995 in the US. Frog (フーログ) appeared in DragonBall Z Episode 197 which aired in Japan on August 18, 1993. Just remember that Frog was filler material.

The S · Post by **The S** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:02 am

I know Frog in DBZ was filler, but I was figuring if CT came out first, they used Frog from there as inspiration. Or maybe Toriyama wanted them to put Frog in there, I don't know... kind of strange that both DBZ and Chrono Trigger have anthropomorphic frogs named simply Frog.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:37 am

Toei frog? Uh...unless this is Ginyu we're talking about (and I know it's not) what the heck frog are we talking about from Dragonball Z?

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:43 am

Duo wrote:Toei frog? Uh...unless this is Ginyu we're talking about (and I know it's not) what the heck frog are we talking about from Dragonball Z?

One of the fighters from the Other World Budokai that takes place following the fight with Cell, one of the competitors is a human-built frog creature, literally named Frog. He uses some technique to puff himself to gigantic proportions, but that turned out to be a disadvantage to him, as he was beaten. The creature that defeats him goes on to battle Goku in the semi-finals.

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:18 pm

Slickmasterfunk wrote:Looks more like Cooler than Freeza to me. Maybe he was the inspiration for that since Toriyama designed him as well for movie 5.

That's what I was thinking.

The other one looks like Vegeta and Yamcha merged. The picture there is quite small to tell though...

Now I realise that they are infact the same character.