The Kix Broadcast of Kai

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The Kix Broadcast of Kai

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Sun May 19, 2024 5:58 pm

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As with my previous thread I thought why not revisit the history of another Kai broadcast in its entirety? Its the show's 15th anniversary now and I really should have made an anniversary thread for when it was 10 years since Kix aired it in the UK (scary to think its been so long, and I was in college at the time).

The first we heard about Kai supposedly coming to the UK came on November 21, 2010 when a fan reportedly received an email back from Ken Morrison the head of Ocean Studios confirming they had accepted an offer for their dub to be shown, at the time on an unnamed channel the following year.

Whether this was an exchange from the Ken Morrison remains unclear, however curiously two months later Kix did respond to a question on Twitter about Kai. The channel's tweets are no longer available to view, but fans have quoted their words, which were "we're just looking at a screener of it, but no decisions made yet". The details of this screener were never made clear, but as we can see with how Kix's broadcasts unfolded, effectively flipping all the speculation on its head about which dub would be aired it is thought the channel were sampling both Funimation and Ocean's dubs of Kai to decide which version they think would be better for the channel.

CSC Media had purchased 53 episodes of Kai by the end of 2012, and while Kix (which was one of their 16 channels) could confirm for fans Kai was to air early in the new year no date was set in stone, moreover trade magazine ToyNews, which also had the show pencilled in for Q1 2013, and while this was true for the general premier UK and Irish fans did in fact get their Kai fix before the year was out, after the franchises 7-year hiatus from our screens as a sneak peak was announced for the first 6 episodes from December 26-28th with 2 episodes per day airing at 6pm and 6.30pm. This announcement also coincided with the first promo very strongly suggesting, Kix was to air Funimation's dub, although prior to the series launch it was definitively confirmed by Kix via email this was indeed the dub they would air, much to the disappointment of myself and many other fans who to this day long to see the Ocean dub of Kai.

To this day the true reason for Kix airing Funimation's dub, despite being aware of Ocean's dub remains a mystery. Allegedly TOEI gave them no other option, despite Kix's parent company CSC Media going for other shows with Ocean dubs like Scan2Go and Pretty Cure (another TOEI property) on Pop Girl, meaning a Canadian Kai dub would have been the perfect fit for any of their channels.

Kix was available on Sky 627 and freesat 606, meaning for the first time since Cartoon Network ceased airing Dragon Ball Z in 2002 the franchise was available to British Isles viewers on terrestrial TV (as all the series moved to the digital-only CNX and Toonami channels as of this point).

Prior to Kai's formal launch it was announced to be airing daily from January 6, 2013 with 1 episode at 8am, another at 6pm and a double bill repeat of both episodes from 9-10pm. Following the sneak peak in December Kai's general run on Kix began on January 5, 2013 with a double bill of the first 2 episodes at several timeslots 10am, 6pm and 9pm.

Kix aired 2 episodes a day from this point, leading to some concern among fans they would run through the 53 episodes too quick, although as noted this was a common thing for their programming and not unique to Kai. This first run of episodes 1-53 concluded in a month. Here's a review of the first 17 episodes following their broadcast:
During episode 24's premier fans noted it was out-of-sync during the 9:30pm airing, the fact the same applied to the initial US broadcasts confirmed Kix were indeed using the same edit seen on Nicktoons in addition to Nicktoons' logo occasionally being left in, as fans also highlighted. In fact I believe the only difference between the Kikuchi-scored Nicktoons and Kix airings is the farmer's death being cut. The sync issue was likely a mixing error that occurred when the Kikuchi score, which Kix aired exclusively was retroactively put in the place of the Yamamoto score and never checked, probably because of tight deadlines.

On May 27, 2013 Kai was briefly removed from Kix's weekly schedule in Sky TV guides for the following week. However customers with TV guides that listed further dates were made aware Kai was being moved to weekends only, likely to make room for programming with new episodes during the week, although it was later revealed from July 22nd Kix was bringing Kai back to weekday slots and was to run the show from the beginning before moving on to the new episodes with episodes shown every day at 8:30am, 12pm and 8pm. There was also triple bills at weekends.

When it comes to reruns the Freeza arc was only shown once on Kix by summer 2013, as they generally reran the Saiyan arc and early Namek episodes. From the week beginning June 3, 2013 Kai was moved to the 9-10pm timeslot at weekends, although during this timeslot Kix would rerun the series from the Ginyu episodes rather than episode 1.

Kai received great ratings throughout its run, being in the top 10 several times during airings of the first episodes according to BARB and peaked at number 2. The largest audience recorded for the early episodes was 57,000 viewers on January 13, 2013 where it came in third place and an average of 43,000 viewers during the week when it was the most watched program five times. Kai was moved to the 8:30-9:30pm timeslot sometime in its first few months and only moved down a few places from its position at number 2 for Kix's top rated shows (viewtopic.php?t=23680#p658246). Kai also won several Clash of the Champions vote marathons during the summer.

By August 2013 BARB's ratings listed Kai as Kix's number 1 show with 39,000 views. Once Kix reached the Cell Games Dragon Ball Kai became their number 1 show once more with 43,000 views and with 47,000 views the month after.

Shortly before July 22, 2013 fans were informed by Kix to stay tuned for something exciting with many anticipating them continuing where they left off at episode 53 rather than restarting the series from the beginning. That said the very first episode was aired on this day at the 12pm, but Kix later confirmed it was a technical error and that the new episode (which was episode 54) would premier at 8pm. Episodes 54-75 then ran between that point and August 22, 2013, although images of Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and Perfect Cell were shown on their website, implying they already had the rights to further episodes, but these were quickly taken down. The earlier episodes continued to be aired at different timeslots when episodes 54-75 were premiering.

After a short break Kix was to resume airing new episodes of Kai on October 1, 2013, although instead they began rerunning the show from episodes 55-75, but the arc began soon after.

On November 27, 2013 Kai finished its first run on Kix with episode 98 with episode 1 following the next day and on December 23, 2013 Kix aired a marathon of Kai from 9am-4:30pm for 3 days straight.

Following the conclusion of Kai, Kix went through a long period of only rerunning the Saiyan and Freeza arcs, despite the later material being shown in full. The channel held double bills of Kai every night at 10:30pm towards the end of 2015 and while the first two arcs were still in constant reruns the Android and Cell episodes were just shown occasionally and the show finally left Kix for good in November of that year just a few months after the series became available for the home video market with Manga UK's DVDs and Blu-Rays.

Anyone here have any memories of watching Kai on Kix? I got to watch a good few episodes but not the entire run as I was in college, but it was great to have the series back on UK and Irish airwaves after what had felt like an eternity.
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Re: The Kix Broadcast of Kai

Post by 90sDBZ » Mon May 20, 2024 1:14 pm

It's crazy to think the Kix broadcast is now further in the past than the Toonami broadcast was at the time. At the time it felt like forever since anything DB related had aired on UK TV, so having Kix announce Kai was a really exciting time.

After much excitement I tuned into the sneak peak airing on Boxing Day 2012, and was overjoyed to have DB back on the air at last.

I went on to watch the rest of the broadcast throughout 2013, and had a really good time with it.

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You mentioned the later Frieza arc episodes only airing once, but they actually did air several times. Kix did have an annoying habit of jumping back to episode 1 prematurely whenever the schedule got changed around, but those episodes definitely got rerun a few times prior to the Android arc airing.

I couldn't say an exact number, but I'm certain episode 53 aired at least 3 or 4 times before the summer. They got through the reruns fast by always airing 2 episodes a day.

And further down the line after the series had ended, Kix went through a weird phase of stopping at episode 53 again. I remember being annoyed by it because I thought it would hurt the ratings, due to the earlier episodes already being rerun a ton. Part of me thinks it was an accident on their part, as they eventually did start airing the later episodes again.

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Re: The Kix Broadcast of Kai

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon May 20, 2024 10:10 pm

I really wish Pop (Which is THE highest rated Traditional Kids Channel, the last of its kind) aired Ocean Kai. Sure, Funi Kai did 44 but I think if they aired Ocean on Pop it could reach heights like 255k which is INSANE in the UK.

For comparison, the legendary tv run of DBZ Topped at 300k on cartoon network. To me Pop is more impressive because pulling this off in this day and age is UNHEARD OF.

Sorry for bringing Pop to your thread about Kix, but I included Ocean Kai and that's always a plus! :mrgreen:

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Re: The Kix Broadcast of Kai

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Tue May 21, 2024 5:47 am

90sDBZ wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 1:14 pm You mentioned the later Frieza arc episodes only airing once, but they actually did air several times. Kix did have an annoying habit of jumping back to episode 1 prematurely whenever the schedule got changed around, but those episodes definitely got rerun a few times prior to the Android arc airing.

I couldn't say an exact number, but I'm certain episode 53 aired at least 3 or 4 times before the summer. They got through the reruns fast by always airing 2 episodes a day.
Fair enough, I was probably misreading your posts back in the old Kix threads, but yeah, considering how many episodes were aired a week it stands to reason Kix would have rerun everything up to the end of the Freeza arc at least a few times by summer 2013.
Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 10:10 pm I really wish Pop (Which is THE highest rated Traditional Kids Channel, the last of its kind) aired Ocean Kai. Sure, Funi Kai did 44 but I think if they aired Ocean on Pop it could reach heights like 255k which is INSANE in the UK.

For comparison, the legendary tv run of DBZ Topped at 300k on cartoon network. To me Pop is more impressive because pulling this off in this day and age is UNHEARD OF.
Keep in mind the ratings I listed are based on my reading of the charts DBZImran dug up, I haven't seen the figures from BARB. Also, if I'm reading them right the Cell Games reached as high as 350,000 screens, which doesn't seem unreasonable. The Freeza saga was super popular in marathons but the Cell Games aired a year later so the series probably picked up a lot from word-of-mouth in that time. Sadly just before the Fusion saga Dragon Ball Z left regular Cartoon Network and moved to the digital only channels CNX and Toonami (which were great), it would have been interesting to see what ratings would have been like if Cartoon Network got to the Kid Buu stuff. I was lucky I could watch because my family had a Sky subscription but people without it or NTL were kinda screwed.
Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 10:10 pmSorry for bringing Pop to your thread about Kix, but I included Ocean Kai and that's always a plus! :mrgreen:
Definitely, and don't worry about it I'll never say no to any excuse to bring up Ocean Kai, I of course didn't resist the temptation in my OP although I'm sure others would debate how relevant Ocean Kai is to Kix since they never aired it and them knowing about it is still in the rumour (although highly likely to be true given Subzero Ice's record) territory.

I wish Pop would air Ocean Kai rather than just rerun Super for the millionth time, maybe Daima will break the cycle though, I'm sure Smyths (who they have a partnership with) will be jumping at any opportunity to capitalize on the toys we know will be coming. I was hoping they would be easier to contact since Sony Pictures Television sold them to Narrative Entertainment but they still never responded to my Facebook messages or emails.
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Re: The Kix Broadcast of Kai

Post by 90sDBZ » Tue May 21, 2024 7:37 pm

Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 5:47 am I wish Pop would air Ocean Kai rather than just rerun Super for the millionth time, maybe Daima will break the cycle though
I'm genuinely amazed Super is still getting reruns on there to this day. I mean its been 5 years at this point!! That's almost as long as Z's time on UK TV, which lasted from March 2000 to Summer 2005, AND that had more than twice as many episodes to rerun!

It would be great if they aired Ocean Kai, or at the very least they could air Funimation's censored Final Chapters dub, which also never aired on UK TV.

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Re: The Kix Broadcast of Kai

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed May 22, 2024 5:21 am

90sDBZ wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 7:37 pm I'm genuinely amazed Super is still getting reruns on there to this day. I mean its been 5 years at this point!! That's almost as long as Z's time on UK TV, which lasted from March 2000 to Summer 2005, AND that had more than twice as many episodes to rerun!
Apparently it's because of Pop's partnerships with major toy and gaming companies like Smyths and Bandai Namco who are able to keep pumping more money into the show. I always wish Cartoon Network and its sister channels did something similar at the time, although considering how sloppily AB Groupe handled merchandising it probably wouldn't have worked out anyway. Apparently the reason they stopped airing anything Dragon Ball in 2005 was because they were too expensive to license. I know unlike Cartoon Network's original shows they can't depend on royalties for acquired programming like Dragon Ball but I would have thought its success would have made it a worthwhile investment as I'd be legit shocked if any of their originals got 350,000 views and this is coming from someone who loved all those old school shows like Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny Bravo, Cow & Chicken, Powerpuff Girls, etc.
90sDBZ wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 7:37 pmIt would be great if they aired Ocean Kai, or at the very least they could air Funimation's censored Final Chapters dub, which also never aired on UK TV.
For Ocean Kai I do hope people can consider emailing RTÉ2 to request they air it here in Ireland. If it happens I'll do everything in my power to catch the entire run and record it. Sangofe and dbzforeverUK kindly offered to help me out y writing their own emails, my hope is if they hear from enough of us and those positive email responses keep coming in we might get lucky.

The channel never aired anything Dragon Ball but they're no stranger to anime as they've broadcast plenty of Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh and they said they'd look into Kai after the person in charge of acquisitions got my email. It would also be their second time shocking the anime world just as they did in 2006 by airing the Yu-Gi-Oh Capsule Monsters miniseries no one knew existed up to that point.

And yeah, regarding Kai The Final Chapters I actually don't think Funimation's edited dub, which Chris Sabat confirmed exists has ever aired anywhere. Maybe Toonami Asia, they aired it at 5.22pm, which is not a time you'd be unlikely to see edited dubs, but good luck finding anyone that documented those broadcasts or recorded anything other than Bang Zoom Super.
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Re: The Kix Broadcast of Kai

Post by Danfun64 » Thu Jun 06, 2024 11:20 am

I thought all the fan recordings of Bang Zoom Super were taken from CN India (and maybe also CN Pakistan much later down the road) instead of Toonami Asia. If that's the case, it's even less likely you'll find Toonami Asia's TFC airings.....
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Re: The Kix Broadcast of Kai

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Thu Jun 06, 2024 1:35 pm

Danfun64 wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 11:20 am I thought all the fan recordings of Bang Zoom Super were taken from CN India (and maybe also CN Pakistan much later down the road) instead of Toonami Asia. If that's the case, it's even less likely you'll find Toonami Asia's TFC airings.....
The initial recordings, which were circulated on Toon Anime India when the first 13 episodes were airing were from Toonami Asia, but not all of them were great quality and the first few minutes of episode 2 was missing.

Late last year “BeN_TeN” from Toon South India tracked down rips of not just the rare episodes (14-27), but also all the earlier ones in great quality from "catchup" copies that were broadcast on Cartoon Network India HD+ and later on TATA PLAY.

Honestly looking back it seems Bang Zoom Super was the only reason anyone cared about Toonami Asia. No one seems to have recorded anything else, not even the suspiciously titled broadcast of Dragon Ball movies 1-3 was enough for people to take notice.

I wish Ocean could have sold their dub of Kai to Toonami Asia before Funimation, it would have been an amazing opportunity for both the dub and the channel itself because clearly seeing the same English dub as every broadcaster worldwide (including Kix) didn't do them any favours.
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Re: The Kix Broadcast of Kai

Post by 2quid » Fri Jun 14, 2024 11:43 am

Being fresh into my teens when this run first started, I absolutely devoured it. I was pretty young when DBZ ended its run on Toonami, so my foremost memories are watching the Hindi dub on trips to Pakistan. It was great for me to watch it in the UK and I followed every scrap of information about it.

Having Kai premiere on Kix sort of felt like a pay-off or vindication for me having followed the channel since before it aired. It felt like Kix was finally up there with the big boys after going through so many different eras in its short life up to that point. When Kix debuted it was full of Cartoons and anime, with the occasional Xtreme sports show. Then the Xtreme sports and humorous shows started monopolising the schedule. Finally, the pendulum started shifting back with the acquisitions of Yugioh GX, Digimon Data Squad etc. Then Boxing Day 2012 came up with Dragon Ball Z Kai, and ushered in a GREAT era for Kix.

I have such fond memories of that 2012-2014 time period, before the Sony acquisition ruined it all. It feels so strange to think it was so long ago, and that Kix missed out on its 10th anniversary by just mere months before it was rebranded to Pop Max.

Looking at how Tiny Pop was a very financially stable channel that performed well ratings wise and was canned, I have very little hope that Pop Max will make it as a linear tv channel for much longer. Even Pop seems to be seriously losing its identity when last year it had such a strong lineup.

It's heartening to see DB still being strongly associated with these channels though
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