Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?
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Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?
Hey, all. I have been wondering about this for a while. I was pretty sure that someone commented in a certain scene that the usage of Bukujustu requires a lot of Ki. Was this in the original or dub? And if that was true, that would explain why Goku still used Kinto'Un even after the Saiyans arrived. I was thinking that Goku rode it to avoid on expending his Ki unnecessarily.
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Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?
It's not really clear how much it requires, but Kuririn did mention that it expends a lot of ki while he and Gohan were on Namek. They didn't want to risk registering on Freeza's scouters. As far as I know that line is in all versions.
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I think it's more of a relative thing. Yes, like any kind of ki manipulation move, the use of it would register on a scouter, just like firing a ki blast. But earlier in the series, it was a big deal. Tenshinhan and Chaozu could fly, and it was a big deal. It took the other characters years to figure it out. When Goku was running down the Serpentine Road, remember that he started out flying, but by the end of the chapter he had decided to run instead because flying was too exhausting.
But by the end, it was a pretty standard technique that was considered extremely basic. When Gohan taught it to Videl and Goten, he possessed this attitude. It wasn't just a simple ki move, it was pretty much Ki Manipulation 101.
But by the end, it was a pretty standard technique that was considered extremely basic. When Gohan taught it to Videl and Goten, he possessed this attitude. It wasn't just a simple ki move, it was pretty much Ki Manipulation 101.
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I think whether it requires a lot of ki or not is a relative thing. What counts as "a lot of ki"? It might have been considered a lot of ki when Tenshinhan first used it, but later in the story everyone has a whole lot more ki to spare.
I don't remember anything specifically saying that it uses a lot of ki, but it seemed to be implied, at least until partway through Namek. One of the Super Exciting Guides says that Goku's weight training with Kaio in the Buu saga was good training because doing it while using bukujutsu made it harder, though.
I don't remember anything specifically saying that it uses a lot of ki, but it seemed to be implied, at least until partway through Namek. One of the Super Exciting Guides says that Goku's weight training with Kaio in the Buu saga was good training because doing it while using bukujutsu made it harder, though.
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Goku also says it uses up a lot of stamina, after he stops flying down Serpent Road and starts running instead (in Viz the line is "I used up too much power in flight").
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It probably burns a steady amount, say 5 EP per second to hover, 10 to fly, 20 to fly fast, which is a huge amount to 23rd Budokai-level characters, but once you're a Super Saiyan with a max EP of tens of thousands it doesn't matter.
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And like any technique, it gets refined and developed over time. By the time Videl learns it it's probably much simpler to do than when Tenshinhan learned it.Rocketman wrote:It probably burns a steady amount, say 5 EP per second to hover, 10 to fly, 20 to fly fast, which is a huge amount to 23rd Budokai-level characters, but once you're a Super Saiyan with a max EP of tens of thousands it doesn't matter.
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Gohan was taught to fly by Piccolo, and he states his flight technique is better/more efficient than Goku's.desirecampbell wrote:And like any technique, it gets refined and developed over time. By the time Videl learns it it's probably much simpler to do than when Tenshinhan learned it.Rocketman wrote:It probably burns a steady amount, say 5 EP per second to hover, 10 to fly, 20 to fly fast, which is a huge amount to 23rd Budokai-level characters, but once you're a Super Saiyan with a max EP of tens of thousands it doesn't matter.
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Wasn't that because it was his mazoku powers?Rocketman wrote:Gohan was taught to fly by Piccolo, and he states his flight technique is better/more efficient than Goku's.desirecampbell wrote:And like any technique, it gets refined and developed over time. By the time Videl learns it it's probably much simpler to do than when Tenshinhan learned it.Rocketman wrote:It probably burns a steady amount, say 5 EP per second to hover, 10 to fly, 20 to fly fast, which is a huge amount to 23rd Budokai-level characters, but once you're a Super Saiyan with a max EP of tens of thousands it doesn't matter.
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Hmm, it couldn't be since he had already lost those when he made that statement to Goku.
What makes Piccolo's flight plan better (or different at all for that matter) is never expounded upon as far as I remember.
What makes Piccolo's flight plan better (or different at all for that matter) is never expounded upon as far as I remember.
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Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?
Wasn't Piccolo referring to the Kinto'un? He said his technique to fly was better than Goku's, which at the time was Kinto'un.
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The Daizenshuu says this in the Bukujutsu entry: "Those aliens who can fly, such as Piccolo, move through the sky using the same principle as Bukujutsu."
Whatever that means.
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Meaning it's just as natural as walking to some species, but fundamentally, it's still using up ki to make you levitate.Bussani wrote:The Daizenshuu says this in the Bukujutsu entry: "Those aliens who can fly, such as Piccolo, move through the sky using the same principle as Bukujutsu."
Whatever that means.
I figure it's relative. The faster you fly, the more ki you use, which is why Goku tells Gohan to slow down when they're flying towards the mountain to meet up prior to the androids. So at the time when Goku learned it and up to Radditz being killed, it was a difficult technique because of the amount being used compared to the total amount of ki available to their weaker selves, which I feel is why Goku made his comment along Snake Way.
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I've never seen it requiring a whole lot of ki at all. Videl is able to fly and she's weak as hell. The only issues that she had was being able to keep her eyes open during flight. I think the true expense of ki is how fast you fly and not actual flight itself.
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But we see, when first introduced, that "flight" is merely levitation. This is back when Goku and Tenshinhan (according to the Daizenshuu) only had BPs of 180. Meanwhile, Videl first had to learn how to levitate with great difficulty and, when she finally could fly with ease, was stated to be stronger than Satan (who is one of, if not the, strongest human fighter).Ketchup_Revenge wrote:I've never seen it requiring a whole lot of ki at all. Videl is able to fly and she's weak as hell. The only issues that she had was being able to keep her eyes open during flight. I think the true expense of ki is how fast you fly and not actual flight itself.
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What are you talking about? Videl is an incredibly gifted fighter, and Gohan even thinks to himself that she's a natural at picking up flight. Videl was just uneducated about the principles of ki manipulation, and, as with anyone learning something foreign, she had some difficulty with it at first.Ketchup_Revenge wrote:I've never seen it requiring a whole lot of ki at all. Videl is able to fly and she's weak as hell. The only issues that she had was being able to keep her eyes open during flight. I think the true expense of ki is how fast you fly and not actual flight itself.
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Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?
Gifted, sure, but she's still waaaay down there. She could maybe match King Hyena Yamcha (not counting that KHY would freeze up cause he's a bitch).Gaffer Tape wrote:What are you talking about? Videl is an incredibly gifted fighter, and Gohan even thinks to himself that she's a natural at picking up flight.Ketchup_Revenge wrote:I've never seen it requiring a whole lot of ki at all. Videl is able to fly and she's weak as hell. The only issues that she had was being able to keep her eyes open during flight. I think the true expense of ki is how fast you fly and not actual flight itself.
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That doesn't mean anything, she's still weak as hell.Gaffer Tape wrote:What are you talking about? Videl is an incredibly gifted fighter, and Gohan even thinks to himself that she's a natural at picking up flight. Videl was just uneducated about the principles of ki manipulation, and, as with anyone learning something foreign, she had some difficulty with it at first.Ketchup_Revenge wrote:I've never seen it requiring a whole lot of ki at all. Videl is able to fly and she's weak as hell. The only issues that she had was being able to keep her eyes open during flight. I think the true expense of ki is how fast you fly and not actual flight itself.
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She's weak as hell by Boo saga standards, not by DB/Saiyan-era standards.
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Based on what? I'm pretty sure Goku, in his first appearance, is still stronger than her.Puto wrote:She's weak as hell by Boo saga standards, not by DB/Saiyan-era standards.








