Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
User avatar
DragonBalllKaiHD
I Live Here
Posts: 2734
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:37 pm
Location: Texas
Contact:

Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Thu May 27, 2010 10:50 pm

Hey, all. I have been wondering about this for a while. I was pretty sure that someone commented in a certain scene that the usage of Bukujustu requires a lot of Ki. Was this in the original or dub? And if that was true, that would explain why Goku still used Kinto'Un even after the Saiyans arrived. I was thinking that Goku rode it to avoid on expending his Ki unnecessarily.
Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru's #1 biggest fan

User avatar
Fin
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 223
Joined: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:12 am
Location: Ireland

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Fin » Fri May 28, 2010 1:33 am

It's not really clear how much it requires, but Kuririn did mention that it expends a lot of ki while he and Gohan were on Namek. They didn't want to risk registering on Freeza's scouters. As far as I know that line is in all versions.

User avatar
Gaffer Tape
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6131
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:25 pm
Contact:

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri May 28, 2010 1:57 am

I think it's more of a relative thing. Yes, like any kind of ki manipulation move, the use of it would register on a scouter, just like firing a ki blast. But earlier in the series, it was a big deal. Tenshinhan and Chaozu could fly, and it was a big deal. It took the other characters years to figure it out. When Goku was running down the Serpentine Road, remember that he started out flying, but by the end of the chapter he had decided to run instead because flying was too exhausting.

But by the end, it was a pretty standard technique that was considered extremely basic. When Gohan taught it to Videl and Goten, he possessed this attitude. It wasn't just a simple ki move, it was pretty much Ki Manipulation 101.
Do you follow the most comprehensive and entertaining Dragon Ball analysis series on YouTube? If you do, you're smart and awesome and fairly attractive. If not, see what all the fuss is about without even having to leave Kanzenshuu:

MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection Series Discussion Thread! (Updated 3/16/26!)
Current Episode: Course-Correcting the Movies - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Resurrection 'F' Arc Part 2

User avatar
Bussani
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8041
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:35 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Bussani » Fri May 28, 2010 3:55 am

I think whether it requires a lot of ki or not is a relative thing. What counts as "a lot of ki"? It might have been considered a lot of ki when Tenshinhan first used it, but later in the story everyone has a whole lot more ki to spare.

I don't remember anything specifically saying that it uses a lot of ki, but it seemed to be implied, at least until partway through Namek. One of the Super Exciting Guides says that Goku's weight training with Kaio in the Buu saga was good training because doing it while using bukujutsu made it harder, though.
If TPP passes in your country it will be illegal for you to watch an imported DVD. Click here to learn more!

User avatar
Herms
Kanzenshuu Admin Emeritus
Posts: 10550
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:40 pm
Location: Jupiter
Contact:

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Herms » Fri May 28, 2010 9:27 am

Goku also says it uses up a lot of stamina, after he stops flying down Serpent Road and starts running instead (in Viz the line is "I used up too much power in flight").
Kanzenshuu: Is that place still around?
Sometimes, I tweet things
We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

User avatar
Rocketman
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10799
Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:17 pm

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Rocketman » Fri May 28, 2010 9:32 am

It probably burns a steady amount, say 5 EP per second to hover, 10 to fly, 20 to fly fast, which is a huge amount to 23rd Budokai-level characters, but once you're a Super Saiyan with a max EP of tens of thousands it doesn't matter.

User avatar
desirecampbell
Moderator
Posts: 4296
Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:55 pm
Location: Ontario, Canada
Contact:

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by desirecampbell » Fri May 28, 2010 10:06 am

Rocketman wrote:It probably burns a steady amount, say 5 EP per second to hover, 10 to fly, 20 to fly fast, which is a huge amount to 23rd Budokai-level characters, but once you're a Super Saiyan with a max EP of tens of thousands it doesn't matter.
And like any technique, it gets refined and developed over time. By the time Videl learns it it's probably much simpler to do than when Tenshinhan learned it.

User avatar
Rocketman
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10799
Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:17 pm

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Rocketman » Fri May 28, 2010 10:22 am

desirecampbell wrote:
Rocketman wrote:It probably burns a steady amount, say 5 EP per second to hover, 10 to fly, 20 to fly fast, which is a huge amount to 23rd Budokai-level characters, but once you're a Super Saiyan with a max EP of tens of thousands it doesn't matter.
And like any technique, it gets refined and developed over time. By the time Videl learns it it's probably much simpler to do than when Tenshinhan learned it.
Gohan was taught to fly by Piccolo, and he states his flight technique is better/more efficient than Goku's.

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 18633
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by JulieYBM » Fri May 28, 2010 11:58 pm

Rocketman wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:
Rocketman wrote:It probably burns a steady amount, say 5 EP per second to hover, 10 to fly, 20 to fly fast, which is a huge amount to 23rd Budokai-level characters, but once you're a Super Saiyan with a max EP of tens of thousands it doesn't matter.
And like any technique, it gets refined and developed over time. By the time Videl learns it it's probably much simpler to do than when Tenshinhan learned it.
Gohan was taught to fly by Piccolo, and he states his flight technique is better/more efficient than Goku's.
Wasn't that because it was his mazoku powers?
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖

User avatar
Gaffer Tape
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6131
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:25 pm
Contact:

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Sat May 29, 2010 2:17 am

Hmm, it couldn't be since he had already lost those when he made that statement to Goku.

What makes Piccolo's flight plan better (or different at all for that matter) is never expounded upon as far as I remember.
Do you follow the most comprehensive and entertaining Dragon Ball analysis series on YouTube? If you do, you're smart and awesome and fairly attractive. If not, see what all the fuss is about without even having to leave Kanzenshuu:

MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection Series Discussion Thread! (Updated 3/16/26!)
Current Episode: Course-Correcting the Movies - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Resurrection 'F' Arc Part 2

Senzu_Bean
I Live Here
Posts: 2262
Joined: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:31 am

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Senzu_Bean » Sat May 29, 2010 8:06 am

Wasn't Piccolo referring to the Kinto'un? He said his technique to fly was better than Goku's, which at the time was Kinto'un.

User avatar
Bussani
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8041
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:35 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Bussani » Sat May 29, 2010 8:54 am

The Daizenshuu says this in the Bukujutsu entry: "Those aliens who can fly, such as Piccolo, move through the sky using the same principle as Bukujutsu."

Whatever that means.
If TPP passes in your country it will be illegal for you to watch an imported DVD. Click here to learn more!

User avatar
Dayspring
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 7753
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:00 pm
Location: Quebec, Canada

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Dayspring » Mon May 31, 2010 1:11 pm

Bussani wrote:The Daizenshuu says this in the Bukujutsu entry: "Those aliens who can fly, such as Piccolo, move through the sky using the same principle as Bukujutsu."

Whatever that means.
Meaning it's just as natural as walking to some species, but fundamentally, it's still using up ki to make you levitate.

I figure it's relative. The faster you fly, the more ki you use, which is why Goku tells Gohan to slow down when they're flying towards the mountain to meet up prior to the androids. So at the time when Goku learned it and up to Radditz being killed, it was a difficult technique because of the amount being used compared to the total amount of ki available to their weaker selves, which I feel is why Goku made his comment along Snake Way.
Captain Christopher Pike wrote:The away team will consist of myself, Cadet Kirk, Mr. Sulu, and Ensign Olsen.
Freeza Heika wrote: for the land of the cool, and the home of the Appule
The Geeky Gentleman: For all your comics, movies, TV and other geeky needs.

User avatar
Ketchup_Revenge
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 494
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:22 am
Location: Apt 4A, 2311 No. Los Robles
Contact:

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Ketchup_Revenge » Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:24 pm

I've never seen it requiring a whole lot of ki at all. Videl is able to fly and she's weak as hell. The only issues that she had was being able to keep her eyes open during flight. I think the true expense of ki is how fast you fly and not actual flight itself.
I wipe it off the tile, the light is brighter this time, everything is 3D blasphemy.
My eyes are red and gold, the hair is standing straight up, this is not the way I picture me.
I can't control my shakes, how the hell did I get here? Something about this, so very wrong.
I have to laugh out loud, I wish I didn't like this. Is it a dream or a memory?

User avatar
Dayspring
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 7753
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:00 pm
Location: Quebec, Canada

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Dayspring » Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:52 pm

Ketchup_Revenge wrote:I've never seen it requiring a whole lot of ki at all. Videl is able to fly and she's weak as hell. The only issues that she had was being able to keep her eyes open during flight. I think the true expense of ki is how fast you fly and not actual flight itself.
But we see, when first introduced, that "flight" is merely levitation. This is back when Goku and Tenshinhan (according to the Daizenshuu) only had BPs of 180. Meanwhile, Videl first had to learn how to levitate with great difficulty and, when she finally could fly with ease, was stated to be stronger than Satan (who is one of, if not the, strongest human fighter).
Captain Christopher Pike wrote:The away team will consist of myself, Cadet Kirk, Mr. Sulu, and Ensign Olsen.
Freeza Heika wrote: for the land of the cool, and the home of the Appule
The Geeky Gentleman: For all your comics, movies, TV and other geeky needs.

User avatar
Gaffer Tape
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6131
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:25 pm
Contact:

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:56 pm

Ketchup_Revenge wrote:I've never seen it requiring a whole lot of ki at all. Videl is able to fly and she's weak as hell. The only issues that she had was being able to keep her eyes open during flight. I think the true expense of ki is how fast you fly and not actual flight itself.
What are you talking about? Videl is an incredibly gifted fighter, and Gohan even thinks to himself that she's a natural at picking up flight. Videl was just uneducated about the principles of ki manipulation, and, as with anyone learning something foreign, she had some difficulty with it at first.
Do you follow the most comprehensive and entertaining Dragon Ball analysis series on YouTube? If you do, you're smart and awesome and fairly attractive. If not, see what all the fuss is about without even having to leave Kanzenshuu:

MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection Series Discussion Thread! (Updated 3/16/26!)
Current Episode: Course-Correcting the Movies - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Resurrection 'F' Arc Part 2

User avatar
Rocketman
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10799
Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:17 pm

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Rocketman » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:00 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:
Ketchup_Revenge wrote:I've never seen it requiring a whole lot of ki at all. Videl is able to fly and she's weak as hell. The only issues that she had was being able to keep her eyes open during flight. I think the true expense of ki is how fast you fly and not actual flight itself.
What are you talking about? Videl is an incredibly gifted fighter, and Gohan even thinks to himself that she's a natural at picking up flight.
Gifted, sure, but she's still waaaay down there. She could maybe match King Hyena Yamcha (not counting that KHY would freeze up cause he's a bitch).

User avatar
Ketchup_Revenge
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 494
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:22 am
Location: Apt 4A, 2311 No. Los Robles
Contact:

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Ketchup_Revenge » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:34 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:
Ketchup_Revenge wrote:I've never seen it requiring a whole lot of ki at all. Videl is able to fly and she's weak as hell. The only issues that she had was being able to keep her eyes open during flight. I think the true expense of ki is how fast you fly and not actual flight itself.
What are you talking about? Videl is an incredibly gifted fighter, and Gohan even thinks to himself that she's a natural at picking up flight. Videl was just uneducated about the principles of ki manipulation, and, as with anyone learning something foreign, she had some difficulty with it at first.
That doesn't mean anything, she's still weak as hell.
I wipe it off the tile, the light is brighter this time, everything is 3D blasphemy.
My eyes are red and gold, the hair is standing straight up, this is not the way I picture me.
I can't control my shakes, how the hell did I get here? Something about this, so very wrong.
I have to laugh out loud, I wish I didn't like this. Is it a dream or a memory?

User avatar
Puto
I Live Here
Posts: 2668
Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:40 am
Location: Portugal, Oeiras

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Puto » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:36 am

She's weak as hell by Boo saga standards, not by DB/Saiyan-era standards.
Blue wrote:I love how Season 2 is so off color even the box managed to be so.

User avatar
Savage68
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1929
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:16 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD
Contact:

Re: Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

Post by Savage68 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:04 am

Puto wrote:She's weak as hell by Boo saga standards, not by DB/Saiyan-era standards.
Based on what? I'm pretty sure Goku, in his first appearance, is still stronger than her.

Post Reply