Kanzenshuu

I thought 17 died or did he come out also when Cell pucked out 18.

It would undermine all the years of training and improvement Goku has gone through since beating Freeza. Yeah, no.
When was Goku shown to have gotten 50 times stronger without transformations after Freeza? That was only in GT.
Goku vs Uub ?
Uub has rage boost, which makes him unconsciously tap ...

SSJ is the legend.
SSJG was never considered a legend, it was a prophecy.
Slight difference

If Toriyama considers Birusu canon and puts him in the DB history, then I too consider BoG canon.

Can Cell us Kaioken?

Uub is strongest human, just saiyan!

Ki sensing always seems to work instantaneously. I'm not sure that's proof of faster than light ki blasts . I mean, if a ki blast could move as fast as ki can be sensed, you could theoretically shoot anyone from anywhere in no time at all, and no one would ever see it coming because by the time ...

We already know that, it's just that we doubt Toriyama scaled it linearly since there's no FTL showings or statements.

Wouldn't be the first time he ignored/forgot his own rules.
There are instances of FTL & light speed showings:
FTL Ki Sensing (King Kai senses Goku Ki in a FTL spaceship)
FTL Ki ...

They can withstand the temperatures and pressure, witnessed with the 3 occurances of Saiyans in outer space (in the Manga).
1. bardock in outer space panel in the manga http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/why-goku-pwns-superman-3660.gif
2. Goku puts Boss Rabbit on the moon http ...

Gohan clearly wasnt SSJ2:
No SSJ2 Aura Shape
No SSJ2 Aura Spark

It could possibly be because Kibito was not able to replenish all of Gohan's Ki reserves. (He makes a remark about this)

Toriyama uses Aura Shape and Aura Sparks, just fine for Vegeta.
Toriyama clearly did not want to represent Gohan ...

Is Dai Kaioshin / Grand Supreme Kai > South Kaioshin?

Since Grand Supreme Kai did not get murdered by Buff Buu (Kid Buu + South Kaioshin).
Buff Buu was forced to absorb him.

Ironically East Supreme Kai believes South Kaioshin to be the Strongest Kaioshin.

This would make Grand Supreme Kai wayyy ...

I place East Kaioshin = Adult SSJ2 Gohan.
He restricted/contained all of SSJ2 Gohan's power, Gohan could not move at all.
(You would have to be about equal to the person to pull it off.
I would liken it to physically restraining someone's movement, you would have to be equal to do it)

Secondly ...

In the trailer had a scene of Goku in space. Get ready for the mindless debates if Goku can breath in space or not soon.
If I recall, didn't Gohan, Krillin, and Piccolo go into space in Movie 2 when Dr. Uiro was fed up with the bullshit and decided to do the Earth in with one go?

http://www ...

Guys, I've got a CRAZY THEORY!!!

Galactus = Birusu
Silver Surfer = Freeza
or perhaps
Odin = Birusu
Thor = Freeza works better.

Anyhow, Birusu probably foreseen that he would enter a long slumber (you can almost liken it to Odin Sleep)
In his place he leaves a person (a champion or Herald) to ...

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:Anyone else see a floating hourglass at 00:49?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... zWPb8Eskdk

Yeah I noticed them, there are about three in the clip and they all explode for whatever reason.
Like a timed bomb.

bleed0range wrote:The trailer doesn't seem to have revealed whatever that hidden figure was. Hmmm....

I assume u mean that big tree like thing.
I can only think of it as being the World Tree, which produces Shin, Kaio and Kaioshin. (Not for getting Makaio and Makaioshin)

The trailer looked good.

The Earth in the background in Birusu and Goku's fight looks like CGI or something.

Could this be something to do with Birusu "violating the common sense of Z" as it states in a translation?

(U know like distorting the Universe, similar to Janemba turning Universe to ...

Necro, But its a valid necro.

I stumbled upon this website which has some translation for Daizenshuu 7. Particularly the parts we are talking about.
Galaxies and Areas.

http://magikarp46.dyndns.org/dragonball/daizenshuu/07/07-044.html

エリア
Eria
Area
Means each region of the universe, which is ...

I too believe that Kid Buu could be stronger than Super Buu.

It is outright stated:
Buff Buu > Super Buu

However it is never outright stated that the Ki or Power drops from Buff Buu to Kid Buu.
(Even if it did, it would likely take it back to Super Buu power level anyway)

Anyway the way I see it ...

Uub should be the strongest human