Kanzenshuu

Rocketman wrote:I'm tired of all this feat fetish.

It's either the manga feats or baseless assumptions...

How is there no reason to believe that #18, who's literally millions of times stronger than normal humans, would not hold back against someone who's still a human according to her, just an "unusually strong" one? Especially when she's participating in the TB only for the prize money, meaning she ...

#18 noted that Mighty Mask was not an ordinary human, take that as you will.
Still, I don't believe she was going all-out. She was shown to be at leisure, sure, but there's no reason to believe she held back any actual strength because that's never substantiated anywhere. The manga shows us that ...

I would prefer one from someone who translates Japanese for later use, but that'll be perfect for what I need now. Thank you very much!

Gero flat out states that he estimated wrong, what more do you want? That's clearly referring to his prediction of Goku's improvements after the Saiyan battle. The quote says "estimated data." The power that he scans from Goku during the fight is not "estimated data."
Taking everything into ...

It's because of how calm Goku acts despite saying that he'll lose to Cell. Gohan must think that he has some sort of plan, or some sort of hidden power. When Goku powers up and reveals a power that's still well below Gohan's power, it makes sense he'd wonder "Okay, what's up? This isn't anything new ...

No. 20 wasn't really wrong about No. 19. To me, that quote makes it clear he was riding on energy absorption the whole time, and when it actually happened, 19 got the upper hand.

Whenever he's incorrect, he's been contradicted. We can't assume that just because one character does something once, they'll do it again. For example, Goku 'lied' about not being able to beat Fat Boo (technically, his reason wasn't because he was weaker, but because of Boo's chi being a lie or ...

It sounds more like "is he really all that great...?" rather than "Wow, who knew he was so amazing!" If you look at how Gohan reacts to Goku's power all throughout the Cell Games, the first interpretation makes more sense. For everyone else, it's a shocker, but his expression barely changes, and he ...

Which would mean that either it's plot hole or Dr. Gero's calculations were off, again. Maybe the multiplier could drop in Cell Games, or Boo arc, because Goku & co. could have drawn more of their dormant power by training, but during early Artificial Humans arc? No, just no. Zero sense in my book ...

When Base Vegeta shows up and knocks No. 19 off of Goku, No. 20 claims that he'll make things a little more interesting, whereas he refers to the others (Gohan, the humans, and Piccolo while suppressing) as 'pesky flies' (Viz translation, btw). Implies Base Vegeta > Suppressed Piccolo > The rest (he ...

I see. Thank you for that!

Edit: Sorry, but can I also get a translation for this page?

Can anyone translate the dialogue on this page? Thanks in advance.

I'm not really asking whether it oughta be considered canon or not, I'm mostly asking what you think of the info I presented, and whether it makes sense or not to you.

Not entirely sure if this is the right section for this topic; anyways, on this other forum I go to, there are these people who take the Daiz as the second most 'canon' thing after the manga, and then there are those who disregard it, those in-between, etc. Someone over there came up with this ...

I'm pretty sure he's also stated to be regular SSJ in another entry...

I've heard the theory that Broly's chi just grew too big, even for his own body, and Goku's now stronger (haxed) punch made him go *POP*.

Not sure how I feel about that, but yeah.

I don't think we should make any more assumptions than necessary...

...we're given the info that Kaioshin can one-shot Freeza. He thinks they have to team up to beat Yakon. He can sense chi.

Yakon > Kaioshin > Freeza; it's that simple.

Kaioshin can sense chi.

If TOEI took the time to animate Gohan and Goku's hair like that, but not Goten's, then it's of significance IMO.